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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2005 5:05:16 GMT
Proposed Manachester Tram system has been canned as costs have escaleted out of control. Current last costs showed it would cost £270,000,000 and costs were still increasing.
Tram systems are very very expensive to build and operate and are also inflexible. Every new tram system built in the UK is operating at a massive loss.
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Post by Steve80 on Jun 21, 2005 22:38:27 GMT
I heard that trams are operating with huge losses but with the croydon tramlink it is very popular and there are plans to extend it. If there is a demand then they have to build it shouldn't they. Surely they can make their money back?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2007 18:26:18 GMT
I heard that trams are operating with huge losses but with the croydon tramlink it is very popular and there are plans to extend it. If there is a demand then they have to build it shouldn't they. Surely they can make their money back? I know of no new UK tram system that is anywhere near covering theirs costs most are making huge losses. It's highly unlikely they will ever reach breakeven point
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2007 19:22:06 GMT
but what sector of public transport makes a profit, if at all?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2007 11:23:48 GMT
but what sector of public transport makes a profit, if at all? You have to balance costs against benefits and Trams offer little to nothing in benefits and have a lot of disadvantages which is why trams were axed in the first place.
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Post by londonunited on Aug 2, 2007 18:18:19 GMT
I swear there is trams in Manchester
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 12:46:37 GMT
I swear there is trams in Manchester He probably means an extension to the existing tram network.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2007 20:16:05 GMT
And up here in Edinburgh we are just starting 3 uears of roadwors chaos to put our trams in, maybe a new job coming my way??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 5:50:42 GMT
And up here in Edinburgh we are just starting 3 uears of roadwors chaos to put our trams in, maybe a new job coming my way?? I really don't understand the politicians obscession with trams (I differentiat here beten trams & light railways) Trams are very very expensive & very inflexible and subject to curtailment at the slightest traffic accident. Mixing fixed track trams with other traffic and pedestrians is a lethal cocktail they also tend to be noisy. Trollybuses offer a much better lower cost more flexible option. They can steer round minor accidents and in the case of more major road closures can divert and operate on their batteries. If changes need to be made to routes the cost of extending & changing the overhead track is quite low and can be done reasonably quickly. Extending a tram route is a major operation that taking into account planning and approvals could take 5 to 10 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 11:13:44 GMT
To be fair, most of the so-called 'tram' systems in this country are really light rail. Any on-street running that occurs would either be on quiet-ish suburban roads or small restricted/segregated city centre roads.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 23:53:01 GMT
NCT, go to Sheffield and try the trams there. It's a 3 route system with a lot of street running and reserved track. Conductors and conductresses are used and since Stagecoach took it over, it has made a steady profit. There has been talk of extensions, but none are confirmed yet. Go and try it: you'll be impressed!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 12:31:07 GMT
NCT, go to Sheffield and try the trams there. It's a 3 route system with a lot of street running and reserved track. Conductors and conductresses are used and since Stagecoach took it over, it has made a steady profit. There has been talk of extensions, but none are confirmed yet. Go and try it: you'll be impressed! Mal The Sheffield System makes massive losses. It just that the losses are hidden. Yes Stagecoach makes a profit. It would not operate the service otherwise. That profit though is after huge subsidies are paid to Stagecoach
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Post by snowman on May 13, 2009 12:56:03 GMT
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Post by snowman on Jul 13, 2009 13:16:43 GMT
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