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Post by Volvo on Jun 27, 2008 23:14:58 GMT
I like euro 3 DLAs and VLAs better than the DWs.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2008 23:45:35 GMT
I like euro 3 DLAs and VLAs better than the DWs. They are good but the DW is much quicker, it's like a rollercoaster lol.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 28, 2008 1:45:43 GMT
I like euro 3 DLAs and VLAs better than the DWs. They are good but the DW is much quicker, it's like a rollercoaster lol. I take it the DWs have a lighter body than the euro_3 DLAs, hence why DWs are faster.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 28, 2008 3:20:56 GMT
No way DWs are far heavier euro 3 DLAs weigh 11, 640kgs whilst DWs weight 12, 300kgs. All alexander products are always lighter than wright products, for example if you take a 06 reg 10.2m pointer dart with dual doors and plug rear doors they weigh 7, 274kgs and if you take a VDL cadet the same reg with plugged doors etc they weigh 8, 293kgs. I must say the culprits for having the heaviest buses in london are ETB the have the heviest double deckers the 04reg VWLs some of which weigh 12, 640kgs, I remember seeing LB02YWZ when it was first new and was on the back of a tow truck and I looked at the weight and it had 12, 720kgs and they alos have the heviest darts 9.3m 7, 900kgs and 10.8m 8, 720kgs. If you take even a 9.3m dual door enviro200dart that weighs 7, 234kgs and ETBs 52reg 9.3m cadets weigh 7, 900 kgs thats even heavier than a 10.8m dual door enviro 200dart which I have yet to see the weight of one I cannot lie but I know because I have seen the ones for the 84/242 and they weigh 7, 520kgs though they have them light seats and also are single door, 10.2m enviros weight 7, 454kgs though the 08reg ones for the 370 weigh 7, 580kgs. As for the 10.8m DWLs on the 108 they weigh 8, 720kgs they are heavier than even the MAN evolutions which have 6.9ltr ? engine and weigh 8, 660kgs. Finally Docklands buses 9.3m darts for the W19 are heavy also weighing in at 7, 760kgs again that is heavier than even a 10.8m dual door enviro200.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 12:03:17 GMT
Is anyone able to advise on the progress of new vehicles deliveries for the 102 and First Uxbridge routes - i.e. are deliveries complete?
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Post by Volvo on Jul 13, 2008 2:21:41 GMT
Well according to buslists on the web most of the DMLs(god knows why they are coded that, as they are infact enviro200darts) are supposed to be dilvered for uxbridge and as for the buses for the 102 I dont think they are all here yet but last weekend I did see a couple of new arrivals so they are indeed arriving.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2008 12:24:53 GMT
Well according to buslists on the web most of the DMLs(god knows why they are coded that, as they are infact enviro200darts) are supposed to be dilvered for uxbridge and as for the buses for the 102 I dont think they are all here yet but last weekend I did see a couple of new arrivals so they are indeed arriving. The Last First E200s are coded DML for Dart Midibus Long. It's simply the code that First's SEMA fleetnumbering system has allocated, and it's a coincidence that the Marshall DMLs have the same code (they now also stand for Dart Midibus Long, and were Dart Marshall Long before that). Then there's 'DMC' which stands for 'Dart Midibus Caetano'. First's codes are seemingly random, however there is some logic to them (e.g. the 'M' used for single deckers and the 'N' used for double-deckers) - despite that codes like VNZ still don't make sense For some odd reason First London and First Berkshire class ALL their single deckers, regardless of size, as a midibus I don't get this company sometimes lol ;D As for the 102's E400s I have found a picture of T56 here - in the newest Arriva livery (with smaller fleetnames).
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Post by Volvo on Jul 13, 2008 23:13:40 GMT
I dont see why N is for Double Decker what happend to D, I sort of understand the M is for Midi bus btu N, I dont get that. As for arrivas new livery They should have kept the yellow line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 11:17:46 GMT
I dont see why N is for Double Decker what happend to D, I sort of understand the M is for Midi bus btu N, I dont get that. As for arrivas new livery They should have kept the yellow line. I know, ideally it should be 'D' but First chose 'N' for some odd reason
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2008 18:25:56 GMT
I dont see why N is for Double Decker what happend to D, I sort of understand the M is for Midi bus btu N, I dont get that. As for arrivas new livery They should have kept the yellow line. First have the worst numbering system in London, at least Arriva and LG/LC fleet numbers have logic. I agree with you Arriva on Arrivas new livery, its hideous just like First's.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 14, 2008 20:03:31 GMT
Yeah, as far as I know Omnidekkas have only been available to existing customers for the last year, and the current in build Nottingham batch is to be the last. Polish Omnicities like LU SP's are on order for 106/177, and I also expect that it is too early for any order to have been placed for the Bexley routes... although I do expect them to be Omnicities. For now I will leave them as unspecified. Isn't the E400 body now available on the Scania chassis?
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Post by M1104 on Jul 14, 2008 20:17:22 GMT
I guess also other London firms wouldn't have felt comfortable buying products from their competitor. If for instance you boarded a First bus and the chassis panel said in big letters 'Supplied by ARRIVA Bus & Coach' it might look odd to them... Plus the fact that the DAFs were crap... They are just modern Metrobuses after all ;D With the new Wright Integral, VDL are no longer just using Arriva Bus & Coach (according to Buses mag) and are marketing their stuff thru Wrightbus, so perhaps other operators will buy their products in due time... Saying that, the new Integral will have the same Cummins engine as an Enviro 400... I'm a little tired and rambling so I'll shut up now ;D I do not see how it can be a wright integral if it has a trident engine, I thought integral mean 'own'. That so called wright integral is really a wright trident for the first time. The engines used in euro_2, euro_3 and euro_4 Dennis Tridents are actually american engines from a company called Cummins. The same goes for the Dennis Darts. Does anyone know why Dennis don't make their own engines for their buses. Volvo used to use Cummin engines, but later produced their own. Meadnwhile DAF/VDL seems to have gone the other way as they don't have their own euro_4 engines.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 14, 2008 23:28:22 GMT
I dont see why N is for Double Decker what happend to D, I sort of understand the M is for Midi bus btu N, I dont get that. As for arrivas new livery They should have kept the yellow line. First have the worst numbering system in London, at least Arriva and LG/LC fleet numbers have logic. I agree with you Arriva on Arrivas new livery, its hideous just like First's. they really do look alike except I think first is a different shade but none the less I wont get used to seeign an arriva bus like that. I do not know why get rid of the yellow line its bad enough that the swoosh or cow horns whatever you want to call it, had to go.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 14, 2008 23:30:08 GMT
Yeah, as far as I know Omnidekkas have only been available to existing customers for the last year, and the current in build Nottingham batch is to be the last. Polish Omnicities like LU SP's are on order for 106/177, and I also expect that it is too early for any order to have been placed for the Bexley routes... although I do expect them to be Omnicities. For now I will leave them as unspecified. Isn't the E400 body now available on the Scania chassis? Indeed it is but it has not lower deck rear window
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Post by Volvo on Jul 14, 2008 23:33:54 GMT
Yeah, as far as I know Omnidekkas have only been available to existing customers for the last year, and the current in build Nottingham batch is to be the last. Polish Omnicities like LU SP's are on order for 106/177, and I also expect that it is too early for any order to have been placed for the Bexley routes... although I do expect them to be Omnicities. For now I will leave them as unspecified. Isn't the E400 body now available on the Scania chassis? Indeed it is but it has not lower deck rear window and tbh I think it is ugly. I am not being biased but I think the volvo chassis suits the enviro 400 body the best, then the integral the scania version is just out of the question. No one can say I am biased anyway because I prefer scania to trident also and I love MAN but they MAN enviro200 looks ugly at the rear as so does the MAN enviro300 the ADL enviro200/300 are much better looking.
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