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Jun 25, 2007 17:23:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 17:23:43 GMT
Sorry if this has already been explained, but... I think the SMS system will be difficult for alot of the older generation of drivers. I had the pleasure/ torture of teaching my nan and grandad how to text, it took them a while but they got it, although my grandad doesnt agree with putting spaces between the words... but thats another story. Also, I see the Arriva bendies have been fitted already!
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Jun 25, 2007 21:24:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 21:24:24 GMT
So if the bus driver can see that the one in front of him is just a couple of minutes ahead of him, he would be able to speed up and tail him all the way to the destination (therefore the leader would be picking up all passengers, and the puncher gets none). Then the puncher would wait at the stop before the terminating point for 10 minutes (or whatever the frequency is) to make sure he is not done for early running and then amble in as though he is a good little boy I was on a 341 which was 20 minutes early yesterday. Not surprising since the driver was driving like a lunatic (skipping stops, opening the doors in the outer lane of the road instead of pulling into bus stops). What did he do? Pull up at the Clissold Park stop, switch off the engine and wait there for 8 minutes AND at Tottenham Police Station stop and sit there for 12 minutes What a great system this will be The controller will see it quite clearly I imagine, with the graphical presentation of where buses are.
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Jun 25, 2007 23:16:42 GMT
Post by Swadbus on Jun 25, 2007 23:16:42 GMT
Sorry if this has already been explained, but... I think the SMS system will be difficult for alot of the older generation of drivers. I had the pleasure/ torture of teaching my nan and grandad how to text, it took them a while but they got it, although my grandad doesnt agree with putting spaces between the words... but thats another story. Also, I see the Arriva bendies have been fitted already! Driver's are only able to send 1 of 21 pre-programmed messages, thus not having to type them out. they simply scroll through a menu on the MDT and select the one they wish to send. - If their is no message available for the problem, then the driver would request a voice call. Also, i think it is just the 149's and some of the 73's that have been fitted out. The 38's and 29's haven't been touched yet, they are still on the AVL system. Stuart.
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Jun 26, 2007 1:08:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 1:08:58 GMT
Will Metroline bother fitting the T/ V reg TP's? Id guess that they'll be replaced when the Enviro's are free'd up with the loss of the 24. They seem to be used less and less these days, but surprisingly, there are still one or two trundling along the 43 route, and the 134. Maybe used when one of the newer buses breaks down? And thankyou for your explanation Swadbus ;D
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Jun 26, 2007 1:53:22 GMT
Post by Steve80 on Jun 26, 2007 1:53:22 GMT
So if the bus driver can see that the one in front of him is just a couple of minutes ahead of him, he would be able to speed up and tail him all the way to the destination (therefore the leader would be picking up all passengers, and the puncher gets none). Then the puncher would wait at the stop before the terminating point for 10 minutes (or whatever the frequency is) to make sure he is not done for early running and then amble in as though he is a good little boy I was on a 341 which was 20 minutes early yesterday. Not surprising since the driver was driving like a lunatic (skipping stops, opening the doors in the outer lane of the road instead of pulling into bus stops). What did he do? Pull up at the Clissold Park stop, switch off the engine and wait there for 8 minutes AND at Tottenham Police Station stop and sit there for 12 minutes What a great system this will be No, they do that already. When I doing the 3 route, which runs every 6-7 minutes, and I running 3 minutes late the bus behind is already behind me waiting till I get to brixton and then they overtake. The more annoying thing is that they are now running 3 minutes early and doing 10mph with me behind trying to make some time and ending up doing dangerous manouvous to get past them. Almost wanted to kill that driver when that happened to me. But with this new system the controllers will be able to look at the PDA and if they see that the puncher is only a couple of minutes behind their leader the controller should tell them to slow down or stop there until a certain time. Isn't that right Anyway, I think this ibus is a step in the right direction especially for the passengers. From a drivers perspective, I'm a bit worried though. Point 15, in swadbus post worries me the most. I don't leave early but there are times I do leave late. One example, on the route 3, again , in the late evenings I always leave 10 minutes late as they give you far too much running time from oxford circus to millbank. 27 minutes . If I leave 10 minutes late will there be a system message telling me to leave and would it be recorded? Its a slight concern at the moment.
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Jun 26, 2007 10:22:24 GMT
Post by Swadbus on Jun 26, 2007 10:22:24 GMT
But with this new system the controllers will be able to look at the PDA and if they see that the puncher is only a couple of minutes behind their leader the controller should tell them to slow down or stop there until a certain time. Isn't that right Anyway, I think this ibus is a step in the right direction especially for the passengers. From a drivers perspective, I'm a bit worried though. Point 15, in swadbus post worries me the most. I don't leave early but there are times I do leave late. One example, on the route 3, again , in the late evenings I always leave 10 minutes late as they give you far too much running time from oxford circus to millbank. 27 minutes . If I leave 10 minutes late will there be a system message telling me to leave and would it be recorded? Its a slight concern at the moment. Yes, that's the idea of the PDA's for the roadside officials. You are also correct that the system will generate an automatic message into the control room to alert the controllers if a bus leaves early/late - I do know that this can be turned off by the controllers (i imagine it would get quite annoying after a time). Also, each controller/user on the system can have their own login and password and ibus automatically remembers each users preferences. As the system is a lot more powerful graphically, it means each user can change colours, sounds and window shapes to suit their preferred setup. When the user next logs into the system, it automatically changes everything to your own saved preferences. Also, the system is not just displayed on one monitor, it is in fact 2 computer monitors together that act as one big workspace. (eg, imagine 2 monitors together, when u drag a window with the mouse it jumps over to the next monitor) all clever stuff. I wished i got some pictures now. Also, everything is electronically recorded, it is possible to "play back" a route at a later date, however this won't be available until the system is fully rolled out apparently. Stuart.
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Jun 26, 2007 13:18:37 GMT
Post by Madstuntman on Jun 26, 2007 13:18:37 GMT
How is all the information, headways, sms... ect presented to the driver
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Jun 26, 2007 22:53:16 GMT
Post by Swadbus on Jun 26, 2007 22:53:16 GMT
How is all the information, headways, sms... ect presented to the driver The new "radio" is called an MDT (mobile data terminal). The headway information is passed to the driver as shown in the picture below.... The link below is the sames as the MDT installed onto the buses. (you'll need to copy and paste the link as it won't work if you click it!) www.siemensvdo.com/NR/rdonlyres/462C0E51-13FE-4F04-B312-055313DDF620/0/IBISplus_ColorMDT_3D_1_72_dpi_RGB_578x426.jpgThe four buttons from top to bottom on the left are... (not as shown in picture) Top button (green colour) - Request call from control centre 2nd button down - (white) - enter SMS menu 3rd button down - (blue) - Code blue, call to centercomm, 4th button down (red) - Code RED. The deviation from schedule is also shown as displayed in the picture. However a "-" sign means the bus is early and needs to slow down. A "+" sign means the bus is late and needs to speed up. I personally feel this is the wrong way round as a minus sign should indicate the bus is late. Hope that helps? Stuart.
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Jun 26, 2007 22:57:25 GMT
Post by Swadbus on Jun 26, 2007 22:57:25 GMT
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Jun 27, 2007 0:39:03 GMT
Post by eggmiester on Jun 27, 2007 0:39:03 GMT
Ibus is IBISplus, its just been modified sligtly to meet tfl's requirements. On the subject of Headway information, The Ibus controller terminals have the option of disabling this feature, so you may not get headway information at all.
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Jun 27, 2007 5:51:56 GMT
Post by lc1 on Jun 27, 2007 5:51:56 GMT
How is all the information, headways, sms... ect presented to the driver The new "radio" is called an MDT (mobile data terminal). The headway information is passed to the driver as shown in the picture below.... The link below is the sames as the MDT installed onto the buses. (you'll need to copy and paste the link as it won't work if you click it!) iBUSThe four buttons from top to bottom on the left are... (not as shown in picture) Top button (green colour) - Request call from control centre 2nd button down - (white) - enter SMS menu 3rd button down - (blue) - Code blue, call to centercomm, 4th button down (red) - Code RED. The deviation from schedule is also shown as displayed in the picture. However a "-" sign means the bus is early and needs to slow down. A "+" sign means the bus is late and needs to speed up. I personally feel this is the wrong way round as a minus sign should indicate the bus is late. Hope that helps? Stuart. The link should now work above (done a little editing to your quote basically if you have a link that is too long put Then type what you want the link to say the put [ / url ] after that (without the spaces) and the link should work.
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Jun 27, 2007 9:30:18 GMT
Post by Swadbus on Jun 27, 2007 9:30:18 GMT
and to think i gotta try and use this ibus system and can't embed a simple URL into a chat forum!? cheers mate! ;D
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Jun 27, 2007 13:21:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 13:21:48 GMT
Ibus is IBISplus, its just been modified sligtly to meet tfl's requirements. On the subject of Headway information, The Ibus controller terminals have the option of disabling this feature, so you may not get headway information at all. I've only seen the headway information switched on a couple of times. I was labouring with a heavy load on a slow bus, and the distance between me and my leader was getting bigger. Then the bus behind me overtook, and suddenly I was right behind the bus in front (on the screen)! Seems to me like the driver is getting a distorted overview, especially if he has to "obey" the headway information. And if it's the controllers' job to do it, why show the driver it at all. (If you see what I mean). Much more interesting to have the deviation from schedule - watch yourself going from zero seconds early, to zero seconds late, without moving.
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Jun 27, 2007 13:50:12 GMT
Post by lc1 on Jun 27, 2007 13:50:12 GMT
and to think i gotta try and use this ibus system and can't embed a simple URL into a chat forum!? cheers mate! ;D No problem, if you had used img instead of url you would have had the picture instead of a link
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Jun 27, 2007 14:02:20 GMT
Post by slr on Jun 27, 2007 14:02:20 GMT
Aint I nice to you!
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