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Post by hangerlane on Jun 17, 2020 9:42:27 GMT
Just walked outside of London Bridge station where I saw 2617 across the road not blinded but stopped at the bus stop and then blinds where changed to 381, didn't think buses was allowed to start at mid points of the route? Surely if this was true, buses would not be able to turn short.
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Post by george on Jun 17, 2020 9:51:16 GMT
Just walked outside of London Bridge station where I saw 2617 across the road not blinded but stopped at the bus stop and then blinds where changed to 381, didn't think buses was allowed to start at mid points of the route? Surely if this was true, buses would not be able to turn short. Well yes of course but my post was about buses starting mid-route on it's first trip on the route not buses being turned. The bus yesterday wasn't turned short.
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Post by hangerlane on Jun 17, 2020 10:08:55 GMT
Surely if this was true, buses would not be able to turn short. Well yes of course but my post was about buses starting mid-route on it's first trip on the route not buses being turned. The bus yesterday wasn't turned short. How about the situation with the 12. Presumably buses entering service from Camberwell do not run light to Whitehall or Dulwich Library. Or do they?
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Post by greenboy on Jun 17, 2020 10:15:48 GMT
Well yes of course but my post was about buses starting mid-route on it's first trip on the route not buses being turned. The bus yesterday wasn't turned short. How about the situation with the 12. Presumably buses entering service from Camberwell do not run light to Whitehall or Dulwich Library. Or do they? Most 12s run out of service to Dulwich but could start from Camberwell if necessary.
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 17, 2020 11:00:43 GMT
How about the situation with the 12. Presumably buses entering service from Camberwell do not run light to Whitehall or Dulwich Library. Or do they? Most 12s run out of service to Dulwich but could start from Camberwell if necessary. Unless I'm losing the plot, if it's going to Dulwich OOS,why doesn't it pick up passengers? Seems to me like a waste of revunue. And as it passes Camberwell Green on it's route, why not start there?
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Post by paulsw2 on Jun 17, 2020 11:05:29 GMT
Most 12s run out of service to Dulwich but could start from Camberwell if necessary. Unless I'm losing the plot, if it's going to Dulwich OOS,why doesn't it pick up passengers? Seems to me like a waste of revunue. And as it passes Camberwell Green on it's route, why not start there? The 12 runs light to dulwich via the 176 routing ( dog kennel hill etc)
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 17, 2020 11:07:34 GMT
Unless I'm losing the plot, if it's going to Dulwich OOS,why doesn't it pick up passengers? Seems to me like a waste of revunue. And as it passes Camberwell Green on it's route, why not start there? The 12 runs light to dulwich via the 176 routing ( dog kennel hill etc) Thanks for that
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 17, 2020 14:25:05 GMT
Most 12s run out of service to Dulwich but could start from Camberwell if necessary. Unless I'm losing the plot, if it's going to Dulwich OOS,why doesn't it pick up passengers? Seems to me like a waste of revunue. And as it passes Camberwell Green on it's route, why not start there? You could ask the same about the 37 where some do nearly the full route OOS to start at Putney Heath
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Post by orangejamieboss on Jun 17, 2020 16:12:21 GMT
Does anybody know how companies go about selecting the vehicles to onto a route during the day?
The example I'll give is LTs. The most common appearance on my local route (24) are LTs in the batch from LT19-LT40, but these occasionally find themselves on the 27 (more often than the 159, but they do also appear on the 159)
The same applies to the 159 batch buses appearing on the 24 and 27 from time to time, and the same also applies to the 27s batch of LTs.
How do they go about selecting what routes the vehicles go on? It's something I've always been curious about and I'm wondering whether this is random or if there's an actual process behind the selections. Would love it if anyone knew.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 17, 2020 16:19:07 GMT
Does anybody know how companies go about selecting the vehicles to onto a route during the day? The example I'll give is LTs. The most common appearance on my local route (24) are LTs in the batch from LT19-LT40, but these occasionally find themselves on the 27 (more often than the 159, but they do also appear on the 159) How do they go about selecting what routes the vehicles go on? It's something I've always been curious about and I'm wondering whether this is random or if there's an actual process behind the selections. Would love it if anyone knew. Each route has vehicles contractually allocated, so for example the 24 received LTs in 2013 as part of the programme roll out, then the 159 received them as part of it's new contract in 2015 which specified them. As for their appearances each day, you have GSs and the control team oversee the "run out" each day - you typically go out in the yard, clipboard with the list of buses, minus the VOR ones, match them to the relevant running boards and obviously allocate based on operational compliance(eg ULEZ, type allocations, eg DDs on DD routes) and convenience, in some cases the first bus needing to leave the yard, you might pick a bus parked closest to the entrance to ease the flow of vehicles out, provided it's compliant. You also have to ensure each bus has it's running board displayed. That's from my layman's experience with the operational side of running buses. Hope it helps!
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Post by TB123 on Jun 17, 2020 16:23:29 GMT
Does anybody know how companies go about selecting the vehicles to onto a route during the day? The example I'll give is LTs. The most common appearance on my local route (24) are LTs in the batch from LT19-LT40, but these occasionally find themselves on the 27 (more often than the 159, but they do also appear on the 159) How do they go about selecting what routes the vehicles go on? It's something I've always been curious about and I'm wondering whether this is random or if there's an actual process behind the selections. Would love it if anyone knew. Each route has vehicles contractually allocated, so for example the 24 received LTs in 2013 as part of the programme roll out, then the 159 received them as part of it's new contract in 2015 which specified them. As for their appearances each day, you have GSs and the control team oversee the "run out" each day - you typically go out in the yard, clipboard with the list of buses, minus the VOR ones, match them to the relevant running boards and obviously allocate based on operational compliance(eg ULEZ, type allocations, eg DDs on DD routes) and convenience, in some cases the first bus needing to leave the yard, you might pick a bus parked closest to the entrance to ease the flow of vehicles out, provided it's compliant. You also have to ensure each bus has it's running board displayed. That's from my layman's experience with the operational side of running buses. Hope it helps! Also add each operator does things slightly differently. I know of some garages(not normally in London) where drivers just pick their own bus, provided it isn't VOR and fits on the route!
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Post by orangejamieboss on Jun 17, 2020 16:27:35 GMT
Does anybody know how companies go about selecting the vehicles to onto a route during the day? The example I'll give is LTs. The most common appearance on my local route (24) are LTs in the batch from LT19-LT40, but these occasionally find themselves on the 27 (more often than the 159, but they do also appear on the 159) How do they go about selecting what routes the vehicles go on? It's something I've always been curious about and I'm wondering whether this is random or if there's an actual process behind the selections. Would love it if anyone knew. Each route has vehicles contractually allocated, so for example the 24 received LTs in 2013 as part of the programme roll out, then the 159 received them as part of it's new contract in 2015 which specified them. As for their appearances each day, you have GSs and the control team oversee the "run out" each day - you typically go out in the yard, clipboard with the list of buses, minus the VOR ones, match them to the relevant running boards and obviously allocate based on operational compliance(eg ULEZ, type allocations, eg DDs on DD routes) and convenience, in some cases the first bus needing to leave the yard, you might pick a bus parked closest to the entrance to ease the flow of vehicles out, provided it's compliant. You also have to ensure each bus has it's running board displayed. That's from my layman's experience with the operational side of running buses. Hope it helps! This does help, thanks very much! Also pardon me asking but what are GSs? I'm also wondering whether they tend to keep batches on one route as much as they possibly can. Same example with the LTs (as they're much easier to keep in a batch I'm assuming). Since the 159 uses mostly mark II models and continues to do so, I wonder if they try to to keep sending the Mark I models onto the 159 to a minimum (although it shouldn't make much of a difference I imagine given that they are LTs and are compliant for use on all LT routes) I forgot to mention that the 24 is using less buses at the moment, which I guess could mean spare vehicles that aren't being used
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Post by TP1 on Jun 17, 2020 16:47:52 GMT
Surely if this was true, buses would not be able to turn short. Well yes of course but my post was about buses starting mid-route on it's first trip on the route not buses being turned. The bus yesterday wasn't turned short. It happens if there's a delay coming out the yard and a short half. For instance I've had it on the 214 where it's NP - Highgate - KGX then meal relief and I've had a issue and the controller sends me straight to KGX
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Post by TB123 on Jun 17, 2020 16:48:24 GMT
Each route has vehicles contractually allocated, so for example the 24 received LTs in 2013 as part of the programme roll out, then the 159 received them as part of it's new contract in 2015 which specified them. As for their appearances each day, you have GSs and the control team oversee the "run out" each day - you typically go out in the yard, clipboard with the list of buses, minus the VOR ones, match them to the relevant running boards and obviously allocate based on operational compliance(eg ULEZ, type allocations, eg DDs on DD routes) and convenience, in some cases the first bus needing to leave the yard, you might pick a bus parked closest to the entrance to ease the flow of vehicles out, provided it's compliant. You also have to ensure each bus has it's running board displayed. That's from my layman's experience with the operational side of running buses. Hope it helps! This does help, thanks very much! Also pardon me asking but what are GSs? I'm also wondering whether they tend to keep batches on one route as much as they possibly can. Same example with the LTs (as they're much easier to keep in a batch I'm assuming). Since the 159 uses mostly mark II models and continues to do so, I wonder if they try to to keep sending the Mark I models onto the 159 to a minimum (although it shouldn't make much of a difference I imagine given that they are LTs and are compliant for use on all LT routes) I forgot to mention that the 24 is using less buses at the moment, which I guess could mean spare vehicles that aren't being used The GSs are garage supervisors - and obviously wherever possible correct batches will try to be allocated, Abellio seem to excel at this at most of the garages outside West London. Unfortunately it isn't always possible as much as I'd love it to be.
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Post by COBO on Jun 17, 2020 17:15:14 GMT
Who or what is Global? I see a lot of double deckers with the word global on them? Do these people look after the advertising on buses?
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