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Post by greenboy on May 28, 2021 5:42:49 GMT
It certainly seems worth a trial, in the past pedestrians have been treated very much like second class citizens and it's nice to see the balance being redressed a little. I think Central London is going to be a lot more leisure orientated in the future and it's good to see that walking is being actively encouraged. I walked from Waterloo Station to Kensington and back today mostly through the parks and it was very pleasant on a nice day. I may be alone in my response here but a certain number of pedestrians do it to themselves, even when I'm toddling along in my car you see people walking out into the road without looking or some (and I emphasise some) idiots on bikes messing around in the road and you think oh for goodness sake get a grip and don't mess around. Central London is also horrendous at points where even when walking you see random people walking out into the road, and don't even get me started on those who sometimes take a leisurely walk in the middle of the road whilst crossing (like going parallel to where the pavement would be) and even those at road junctions who try and sell you sh*t or clean your car. To me a certain minority of pedestrians are absolute p*ssheads but this scheme would not work in Central London but more in suburban parts of London like has already been introduced - so maybe it could be worked on in quiet neighborhoods but not busy bustling residential areas like Tottenham for example I've nearly hit pedestrians who have walked out into the road without looking properly because they're too busy on their phone. I think schemes like this would work better in Central London where I think there will generally be a more leisurely pace of life without much of the hustle and bustle.
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Post by dashing0ne on May 28, 2021 6:28:54 GMT
It's a Thursday, so would be a very random day to end them. Would imagine tomorrow would be the day if there's no reason to run them next half term. Will be interesting to see if they return after half term. Sixth form colleges are finishing earlier this year, some second years leave tomorrow and most secondary leavers will be leaving before July so if the services do return I don't think they will be needed for the whole of the final half of the term. No V extras in service today, 28/05/2021.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 28, 2021 6:44:50 GMT
I may be alone in my response here but a certain number of pedestrians do it to themselves, even when I'm toddling along in my car you see people walking out into the road without looking or some (and I emphasise some) idiots on bikes messing around in the road and you think oh for goodness sake get a grip and don't mess around. Central London is also horrendous at points where even when walking you see random people walking out into the road, and don't even get me started on those who sometimes take a leisurely walk in the middle of the road whilst crossing (like going parallel to where the pavement would be) and even those at road junctions who try and sell you sh*t or clean your car. To me a certain minority of pedestrians are absolute p*ssheads but this scheme would not work in Central London but more in suburban parts of London like has already been introduced - so maybe it could be worked on in quiet neighborhoods but not busy bustling residential areas like Tottenham for example I've nearly hit pedestrians who have walked out into the road without looking properly because they're too busy on their phone. I think schemes like this would work better in Central London where I think there will generally be a more leisurely pace of life without much of the hustle and bustle. Once again I doubt that will be the case. Remember we've been under lockdown for well over a year now and if anything there's going to be a rush to get back to town so I can understand your point but I doubt it's too likely that it will be all leisure and once again it would be the nail in the coffin for buses & delivery drivers who will bear the brunt of it
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 28, 2021 6:46:45 GMT
Will be interesting to see if they return after half term. Sixth form colleges are finishing earlier this year, some second years leave tomorrow and most secondary leavers will be leaving before July so if the services do return I don't think they will be needed for the whole of the final half of the term. No V extras in service today, 28/05/2021. V232, V233, V376, VP12 are out so definitely not all finished
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Post by dashing0ne on May 28, 2021 7:17:17 GMT
No V extras in service today, 28/05/2021. V232, V233, V376, VP12 are out so definitely not all finished My apologies all V extras in South West London, according to LVF are done.
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Post by towertransit70 on May 28, 2021 7:35:06 GMT
I thought the extension back to White City was put back? It went ahead on the 15th May Okay. But then again... But then why still terminate at Shepherds Bush cos I see them stand at the Shepherds Bush green. Just checked on London Bus Routes and ut says its terminating at Shepherds Bush due to staffing issue?
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Post by WH241 on May 28, 2021 7:38:18 GMT
Will be interesting to see if they return after half term. Sixth form colleges are finishing earlier this year, some second years leave tomorrow and most secondary leavers will be leaving before July so if the services do return I don't think they will be needed for the whole of the final half of the term. No V extras in service today, 28/05/2021. Not true just did a quick search and can see the extras on the 325 and 376. Also did a rare search on LVF and lots more show up!
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Post by snowman on May 28, 2021 8:24:41 GMT
I saw an article saying that some crossings would be changed to default green for pedestrians unless there is approaching traffic apple.news/A_ZOij4sXRgKNAB1UjDRyrgWhat do you think? On paper I am not too averse but wonder how this will work in real life It certainly seems worth a trial, in the past pedestrians have been treated very much like second class citizens and it's nice to see the balance being redressed a little. I think Central London is going to be a lot more leisure orientated in the future and it's good to see that walking is being actively encouraged. I walked from Waterloo Station to Kensington and back today mostly through the parks and it was very pleasant on a nice day. Not all in Central London, Red Lion Street in Richmond is A307, not not just minor roads * 'Green Person Authority' is in place at seven locations across London: 1. Two crossings on Devons Road by Devons Road DLR station in Tower Hamlets 2. Prince Regent Lane by Alnwick Road - LB Newham 3. Heston Road by Hogarth Gardens - LB Hounslow 4. Queens Road by Queens Crescent - LB Richmond 5. The Greenway by Merryfields - LB Hillingdon 6. Castelnau by Newport Road - LB Richmond **Green Person Authority' will be installed at a further 11 locations by the end of June: 1. London Road by James Street - Barking and Dagenham 2. Gale Street by Becontree Station - Barking and Dagenham 3. Bishopsgate by Great St Helens - City of London 4. Long Lane by West Smithfield - City of London 5. Woodcote Grove Road by Smitham Downs Road - Croydon 6. Kingston Road by Rothesay Avenue - Merton 7. Red Lion Street by Church Terrace - Richmond Upon Thames 8. St Georges Way by Ebley Close - Southwark 9. Wrythe Lane by Muschamp Road - Sutton 10. Green Wrythe Lane by Aultone Way - Sutton 11. Cavendish Square by Henrietta Place - Westminster
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Post by greenboy on May 28, 2021 8:28:18 GMT
I've nearly hit pedestrians who have walked out into the road without looking properly because they're too busy on their phone. I think schemes like this would work better in Central London where I think there will generally be a more leisurely pace of life without much of the hustle and bustle. Once again I doubt that will be the case. Remember we've been under lockdown for well over a year now and if anything there's going to be a rush to get back to town so I can understand your point but I doubt it's too likely that it will be all leisure and once again it would be the nail in the coffin for buses & delivery drivers who will bear the brunt of it I heard a bit about it on LBC radio, it's certainly worth a trial at some locations, how it works out in practice remains to be seen. Although traffic levels in Central London have increased a bit it's still way down on pre covid levels so now would seem a good time to trial. Buses in Central London are ridiculously slow even with near empty roads so I don't think this is going to make any significant difference.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 28, 2021 8:47:36 GMT
Once again I doubt that will be the case. Remember we've been under lockdown for well over a year now and if anything there's going to be a rush to get back to town so I can understand your point but I doubt it's too likely that it will be all leisure and once again it would be the nail in the coffin for buses & delivery drivers who will bear the brunt of it I heard a bit about it on LBC radio, it's certainly worth a trial at some locations, how it works out in practice remains to be seen. Although traffic levels in Central London have increased a bit it's still way down on pre covid levels so now would seem a good time to trial. Buses in Central London are ridiculously slow even with near empty roads so I don't think this is going to make any significant difference. Yes but it would be good if we could change speed on routes entering Central London because the ones that face serious congestion problems cross the breadth of the city such as the 11 & 24 seem to be dwindling in terms of passenger numbers so it would be a nice idea to try and reimburse them with priority at junctions but I do feel like these sorts of schemes in terms of all green put stuff like that to rest. I mean walking down Picadilly it's practically always green
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 28, 2021 10:13:51 GMT
I saw an article saying that some crossings would be changed to default green for pedestrians unless there is approaching traffic apple.news/A_ZOij4sXRgKNAB1UjDRyrgWhat do you think? On paper I am not too averse but wonder how this will work in real life Total BS imo and a waste of time. I really do not understand the mentality of people in this country. They are the biggest hypocrites in the world. Too many people with Dominic Cummings mentality. The end of the day, they want to preach about being green, pollution etc. But then they come up with foolishness like this. So then at 2am a car would in theory be creating more pollution than anything else. Because it would be constantly slowing down to stop at traffic lights and moving off. Goodness knows what it would be like during the day. One of the biggest problems we have in this country is jaywalking, people just feel they must cross when they want and play batman and stop the traffic immediately. They are no different to the kamikaze lycra cyclists we have on the streets.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 28, 2021 10:15:29 GMT
This concept confuses me a bit, I'm assuming it's a role reversal but in most cases now the green man allows people to walk soon after pressing the button. If cars continuously keep coming, surely it'll default back to cars having most of the time if they continuously seem to approach? You can tell how TfL have lost the plot, walking won't bring in revenue yet they're happy to trot out schemes for walking over something like keeping lights green for buses instead. And as usual it would be declared a success and rolled out throughout the city without proper analysis.
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2021 10:31:16 GMT
I saw an article saying that some crossings would be changed to default green for pedestrians unless there is approaching traffic apple.news/A_ZOij4sXRgKNAB1UjDRyrgWhat do you think? On paper I am not too averse but wonder how this will work in real life Total BS imo and a waste of time. I really do not understand the mentality of people in this country. They are the biggest hypocrites in the world. Too many people with Dominic Cummings mentality. The end of the day, they want to preach about being green, pollution etc. But then they come up with foolishness like this. So then at 2am a car would in theory be creating more pollution than anything else. Because it would be constantly slowing down to stop at traffic lights and moving off. Goodness knows what it would be like during the day. One of the biggest problems we have in this country is jaywalking, people just feel they must cross when they want and play batman and stop the traffic immediately. They are no different to the kamikaze lycra cyclists we have on the streets. Jaywalking isn’t the issue but the actual person doing it - I jaywalk every time I’m out yet have never been involved in an incident in my life because I wait for the correct moment to do it so don’t criticise the action but the person doing it who clearly can’t work out when to cross
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 28, 2021 10:38:43 GMT
I saw an article saying that some crossings would be changed to default green for pedestrians unless there is approaching traffic apple.news/A_ZOij4sXRgKNAB1UjDRyrgWhat do you think? On paper I am not too averse but wonder how this will work in real life It certainly seems worth a trial, in the past pedestrians have been treated very much like second class citizens and it's nice to see the balance being redressed a little. I think Central London is going to be a lot more leisure orientated in the future and it's good to see that walking is being actively encouraged. I walked from Waterloo Station to Kensington and back today mostly through the parks and it was very pleasant on a nice day. Second class citizens, what nonsense. What next, to make everyone the same, lets just stop all road going transport and let everyone walk or use a wheelchair, that way everyone would be equal and no one would have no unfair advantage over each other.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 28, 2021 10:40:33 GMT
It certainly seems worth a trial, in the past pedestrians have been treated very much like second class citizens and it's nice to see the balance being redressed a little. I think Central London is going to be a lot more leisure orientated in the future and it's good to see that walking is being actively encouraged. I walked from Waterloo Station to Kensington and back today mostly through the parks and it was very pleasant on a nice day. I may be alone in my response here but a certain number of pedestrians do it to themselves, even when I'm toddling along in my car you see people walking out into the road without looking or some (and I emphasise some) idiots on bikes messing around in the road and you think oh for goodness sake get a grip and don't mess around. Central London is also horrendous at points where even when walking you see random people walking out into the road, and don't even get me started on those who sometimes take a leisurely walk in the middle of the road whilst crossing (like going parallel to where the pavement would be) and even those at road junctions who try and sell you sh*t or clean your car. To me a certain minority of pedestrians are absolute p*ssheads but this scheme would not work in Central London but more in suburban parts of London like has already been introduced - so maybe it could be worked on in quiet neighborhoods but not busy bustling residential areas like Tottenham for example The next measures would be to have pedestrians and cyclists using motorways, or walk down railway tracks or a cycle lane constructed between railway lines.
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