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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 21, 2022 18:32:48 GMT
Besides from AL’s VLA100 I think and RTP’s VLP23 and 24 what other buses was apart of vantage project? VLA99 & 100, VLP23 & 24 & WVL94 & 95 Didn't TA1 aswell have Vantage?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 21, 2022 22:52:13 GMT
VLA99 & 100, VLP23 & 24 & WVL94 & 95 Didn't TA1 aswell have Vantage? Yes but it wasn’t part of the Vantage project. TA1 was a brand new vehicle fitted with Vantage tech to comply with the ULEZ
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Post by COBO on Jan 22, 2022 7:09:35 GMT
Besides from AL’s VLA100 I think and RTP’s VLP23 and 24 what other buses was apart of vantage project? VLA99 & 100, VLP23 & 24 & WVL94 & 95 Thanks 🙏🏿
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Post by COBO on Jan 23, 2022 20:23:40 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain?
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 23, 2022 20:37:25 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain? The vast majority of it is down to personal opinion really depending on the various characteristics of both bus and route. I always used to think that the 405 suited it's fleet of Scania OmniDekkas and OmniCity's nicely due to the way they performed particularly on the A23. Also, there are some types that have served a route for so long that some enthusiasts become accustomed to them. I still to this day think the 127 was better with it's Scania's than the current fleet of Enviro400's.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 23, 2022 21:22:31 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain? The vast majority of it is down to personal opinion really depending on the various characteristics of both bus and route. I always used to think that the 405 suited it's fleet of Scania OmniDekkas and OmniCity's nicely due to the way they performed particularly on the A23. Also, there are some types that have served a route for so long that some enthusiasts become accustomed to them. I still to this day think the 127 was better with it's Scania's than the current fleet of Enviro400's. This. Also (for me anyway), how the bus looks on the route. Saw a HV on the 149 and for some reason it just felt right. (Stupid I know)
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Post by M1104 on Jan 23, 2022 21:43:52 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain? The vast majority of it is down to personal opinion really depending on the various characteristics of both bus and route. I always used to think that the 405 suited it's fleet of Scania OmniDekkas and OmniCity's nicely due to the way they performed particularly on the A23. Also, there are some types that have served a route for so long that some enthusiasts become accustomed to them. I still to this day think the 127 was better with it's Scania's than the current fleet of Enviro400's. For me it were London General's NV class Volvos and Connex's TA class Tridents on the 157, both types being good powerful performers. The B7TL Wrightbus Volvos didn't seem suitable because of their lack of power and kickdown that I was used to on route for more than ten years. It was similarly with the N155 which to me were better suited with the NVs class Volvo over their EVL replacements, although i did love it when I occasionally drove the solitary SW bus on Friday/Saturday night with a good PDL Trident to add to the mix.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 23, 2022 21:50:11 GMT
The vast majority of it is down to personal opinion really depending on the various characteristics of both bus and route. I always used to think that the 405 suited it's fleet of Scania OmniDekkas and OmniCity's nicely due to the way they performed particularly on the A23. Also, there are some types that have served a route for so long that some enthusiasts become accustomed to them. I still to this day think the 127 was better with it's Scania's than the current fleet of Enviro400's. This. Also (for me anyway), how the bus looks on the route. Saw a HV on the 149 and for some reason it just felt right. (Stupid I know) By using the word characteristics, I did mean looks of the bus as well so yes, that's a very valid point. With another example of where buses I think have suited a route compared to other types, I also think the 463 suited Optare Solos better than it does currently with Streetlites.
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Post by thesquirrels on Jan 23, 2022 22:41:40 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain? It's a subjective thing rooted in sentiment and personal experience. It is heavily rooted in sound for me. A Euro II Trident will always make me think of growling round the B roads of Newham on a 147 in the noughties, the sad song of an engine and transmission labouring under a full and standing load; so it goes that I find Euro II Tridents to be suited to built up slogs of routes elsewhere - the early TPs on the 43 and 134 growling up the Archway Road, the 472 and 177 through Charlton. Everyone will have their own interpretation- It's a tough one to measure.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 23, 2022 22:46:17 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain? Personally I've never understood that statement before but I can understand when people have their favourites like the first vehicle I always come to in regards to many of the Cowie/Arriva routes here in South London is a L because of what I grew up with as first memories of buses.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2022 22:55:25 GMT
PVLs were the look of Tooting for me growing up after the Ms went.
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Post by abellion on Jan 24, 2022 17:24:36 GMT
I’ve been hearing from some bus enthusiasts at how a certain bus type suits a bus route? How does a bus type suit a bus route I don’t understand can some explain? Personally I think this about some routes and it is mostly just sentimental. For example I've used Ts and DWs for years now on the 264 and I think they suit the route quite well and also think its a shame Arriva isn't keeping it for electrification.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jan 24, 2022 17:33:11 GMT
What happened regarding the B9TL between 2006 and 2009?
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Post by snowman on Jan 24, 2022 19:44:12 GMT
What happened regarding the B9TL between 2006 and 2009? Volvo originally only made the B9TL chassis as a tri-axle. Around 2005 TfL decided to ban further orders of Volvo B7TL chassis and engined buses because they were rather noisy (specifically the cooling fans) Go-Ahead trialled a new B9 two axle bus (which had the fleet number B9), and TfL subsequently allowed 3 for evaluation (VE1-3 delivered in 2008, which are still in use). The new B9 engined version was accepted and orders were allowed, so Operators started ordering them, although during 2005-2010 a number of Scania engined buses were introduced by some Operators
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Post by M1104 on Jan 24, 2022 23:32:18 GMT
What happened regarding the B9TL between 2006 and 2009? Volvo originally only made the B9TL chassis as a tri-axle. Around 2005 TfL decided to ban further orders of Volvo B7TL chassis and engined buses because they were rather noisy (specifically the cooling fans) Go-Ahead trialled a new B9 two axle bus (which had the fleet number B9), and TfL subsequently allowed 3 for evaluation (VE1-3 delivered in 2008, which are still in use). The new B9 engined version was accepted and orders were allowed, so Operators started ordering them, although during 2005-2010 a number of Scania engined buses were introduced by some Operators Actually the B7TLs were by then at end of production¹, the ban aimed on the newly available dual axle B9TLs (barring the trial buses you mentioned). ¹ - last London examples on 55/06 plates
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