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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 7, 2023 12:57:46 GMT
What's going to happen to route 470 the Sutton/Croydon changes take place Truncated at Sutton railway station, only running Sutton Station to Colliers Wood. Still every half-hour Monday-Saturday (believe the PVR drops to 4) Also rerouted around Sutton Common via Marlborough Road, Dibden Road & Stayton Road. Is it not going to be cut back to Morden on the other end?
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 7, 2023 13:16:01 GMT
Truncated at Sutton railway station, only running Sutton Station to Colliers Wood. Still every half-hour Monday-Saturday (believe the PVR drops to 4) Also rerouted around Sutton Common via Marlborough Road, Dibden Road & Stayton Road. Is it not going to be cut back to Morden on the other end? No, I believe that was a mistake on the original results of the consultation and was quickly altered. Would be nice if a more frequent route could take over the Morden to Colliers Wood section though.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2023 13:25:53 GMT
Is it not going to be cut back to Morden on the other end? No, I believe that was a mistake on the original results of the consultation and was quickly altered. Would be nice if a more frequent route could take over the Morden to Colliers Wood section though. Isn't that the quietest part of the route though with it starting to pick up from Morden onwards?
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 7, 2023 13:37:20 GMT
No, I believe that was a mistake on the original results of the consultation and was quickly altered. Would be nice if a more frequent route could take over the Morden to Colliers Wood section though. Isn't that the quietest part of the route though with it starting to pick up from Morden onwards? Definitely the quietest part. It’s much easier to take the tube if you’re going to Morden especially with heavy traffic on Merantun Way.
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 7, 2023 13:48:22 GMT
No, I believe that was a mistake on the original results of the consultation and was quickly altered. Would be nice if a more frequent route could take over the Morden to Colliers Wood section though. Isn't that the quietest part of the route though with it starting to pick up from Morden onwards? Probably, but the reason it is so quiet is because of its low frequency meaning catching the Northern Line to Colliers Wood and walking is quicker. Merantun Way should also have an extra bus stop where it meets High Path, as there are new developments around there.
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Post by yunus on Aug 13, 2023 2:22:04 GMT
Sorry if I have asked this before; How do you change the battery on a Hybrid & Electric bus? Would have thought it is quite costly & needing a change every so often hence why some operators are reluctant to have them. Interestingly this article from 2019: www.route-one.net/features/1000-hybrids-where-are-they-now/. Made me think if these Hybrid and Electric buses are really as "green" as the people in power claim, cos bearing in mind you need to recycle old used batteries etc.
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Post by abellion on Aug 13, 2023 7:08:04 GMT
Made me think if these Hybrid and Electric buses are really as "green" as the people in power claim, cos bearing in mind you need to recycle old used batteries etc. They aren’t as green as they are advertised as for sure. The new low emission livery makes it clear that they want to sugarcoat it. this bus is low or ZERO EMISSION!!! ᵃᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᵗᵃᶦˡᵖᶦᵖᵉFeatured on hybrid buses which aren’t even zero emission anyway…
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 13, 2023 7:57:12 GMT
Sorry if I have asked this before; How do you change the battery on a Hybrid & Electric bus? Would have thought it is quite costly & needing a change every so often hence why some operators are reluctant to have them. Interestingly this article from 2019: www.route-one.net/features/1000-hybrids-where-are-they-now/. Made me think if these Hybrid and Electric buses are really as "green" as the people in power claim, cos bearing in mind you need to recycle old used batteries etc. The aim is to be net-zero, i.e. the construction and operation of the buses does not cause more carbon to be released into the atmosphere than can be removed. With electric buses there is the huge benefit of zero emission at the tailpipe, which improves the air quality in London, a city where a significant number of people have respiratory problems linked to poor air quality. Hybrid buses do this to a lesser extent as they produce fewer emissions than a Euro-6 diesel. Electric buses are more costly to acquire, however the Government is making funding available as electric buses go towards the UK achieving its net-zero targets. The money also represents investment in green industry and, as electric vehicles become more common and the technology develops, the costs will come down. Regarding the recycling, it is possible to recycle most of a lithium battery, including the lithium itself. Another use for batteries removed from mid-life electric buses is in static battery farms. Newport Transport - which has invested significantly in Yutong electric single-deckers - has such an agreement with Zenobe for the supply and replacement of the batteries. Ah, but mining lithium, I hear you say? An activity which causes environmental harm - but minimal when compared the extraction and refining of oil to be burned and released into the atmosphere. The best carbon capture would be to leave oil (and coal and gas) in the ground.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 13, 2023 8:37:04 GMT
Sorry if I have asked this before; How do you change the battery on a Hybrid & Electric bus? Would have thought it is quite costly & needing a change every so often hence why some operators are reluctant to have them. Interestingly this article from 2019: www.route-one.net/features/1000-hybrids-where-are-they-now/. Made me think if these Hybrid and Electric buses are really as "green" as the people in power claim, cos bearing in mind you need to recycle old used batteries etc. The aim is to be net-zero, i.e. the construction and operation of the buses does not cause more carbon to be released into the atmosphere than can be removed. With electric buses there is the huge benefit of zero emission at the tailpipe, which improves the air quality in London, a city where a significant number of people have respiratory problems linked to poor air quality. Hybrid buses do this to a lesser extent as they produce fewer emissions than a Euro-6 diesel. Electric buses are more costly to acquire, however the Government is making funding available as electric buses go towards the UK achieving its net-zero targets. The money also represents investment in green industry and, as electric vehicles become more common and the technology develops, the costs will come down. Regarding the recycling, it is possible to recycle most of a lithium battery, including the lithium itself. Another use for batteries removed from mid-life electric buses is in static battery farms. Newport Transport - which has invested significantly in Yutong electric single-deckers - has such an agreement with Zenobe for the supply and replacement of the batteries. Ah, but mining lithium, I hear you say? An activity which causes environmental harm - but minimal when compared the extraction and refining of oil to be burned and released into the atmosphere. The best carbon capture would be to leave oil (and coal and gas) in the ground. Whilst it is possible to recycle lithium batteries, again the process is far from totally green. Mining lithium is great as like LTNs it pushes the pollution onto people that do not get the benefit. To me this is the western world saying we want zero emission and keep all the bad bits in the developing world. Has much changed since European Imperialism? On one hand we say yes history is bad, on the other we continue to exploit these nations. I'm alright Jack, I am not bothered , its bad bits will kill others, not me. Seems to be the modern philosophy.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 13, 2023 9:06:26 GMT
The aim is to be net-zero, i.e. the construction and operation of the buses does not cause more carbon to be released into the atmosphere than can be removed. With electric buses there is the huge benefit of zero emission at the tailpipe, which improves the air quality in London, a city where a significant number of people have respiratory problems linked to poor air quality. Hybrid buses do this to a lesser extent as they produce fewer emissions than a Euro-6 diesel. Electric buses are more costly to acquire, however the Government is making funding available as electric buses go towards the UK achieving its net-zero targets. The money also represents investment in green industry and, as electric vehicles become more common and the technology develops, the costs will come down. Regarding the recycling, it is possible to recycle most of a lithium battery, including the lithium itself. Another use for batteries removed from mid-life electric buses is in static battery farms. Newport Transport - which has invested significantly in Yutong electric single-deckers - has such an agreement with Zenobe for the supply and replacement of the batteries. Ah, but mining lithium, I hear you say? An activity which causes environmental harm - but minimal when compared the extraction and refining of oil to be burned and released into the atmosphere. The best carbon capture would be to leave oil (and coal and gas) in the ground. Whilst it is possible to recycle lithium batteries, again the process is far from totally green. Mining lithium is great as like LTNs it pushes the pollution onto people that do not get the benefit. To me this is the western world saying we want zero emission and keep all the bad bits in the developing world. Has much changed since European Imperialism? On one hand we say yes history is bad, on the other we continue to exploit these nations. I'm alright Jack, I am not bothered , its bad bits will kill others, not me. Seems to be the modern philosophy. There is also lithium in Cornwall. Serious Government-supported exploration is taking place to see if it can be extracted in a cost-effective way. It is high-stakes, as if successful it would bring significant economic benefit to one of the poorest regions of the UK, as well as helping the UK to become more self-sufficient in meeting its own demand for lithium.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 13, 2023 11:05:18 GMT
Whilst it is possible to recycle lithium batteries, again the process is far from totally green. Mining lithium is great as like LTNs it pushes the pollution onto people that do not get the benefit. To me this is the western world saying we want zero emission and keep all the bad bits in the developing world. Has much changed since European Imperialism? On one hand we say yes history is bad, on the other we continue to exploit these nations. I'm alright Jack, I am not bothered , its bad bits will kill others, not me. Seems to be the modern philosophy. There is also lithium in Cornwall. Serious Government-supported exploration is taking place to see if it can be extracted in a cost-effective way. It is high-stakes, as if successful it would bring significant economic benefit to one of the poorest regions of the UK, as well as helping the UK to become more self-sufficient in meeting its own demand for lithium. Why have have we waited until now to investigate this? Probably because we won't allow the working practices they use in other part os the world, both commercially or environmentally, which will result in Cornish Lithium being uneconomical in comparison. I would love to see the day it happens, but not holding my breath. Once the resource becomes scarcer, and prices rocket, maybe then we will see it, but dread to think how much batteries will cost then! I hope most of the Lithium the UK uses come from Australia as it will most likely be the most ethically mined, but cant find any figures for this. When they says electric is green (and yellow), you can see from the pictures it is, but to me that is not a healthy green! Tell me that is good for the environment. Cornwall is going to look so nice! Well, if we ever get over all the court cases and public enquiries about the health aspects. www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 14, 2023 14:02:30 GMT
There is Lithium in Cornwall waiting to be extracted just as there is (still) tin, copper and indeed arsenic, silver and other minerals waiting to be extracted. It is the cost of extraction couple with the required working practices (not least of which is HASAW) that mitigate against any viable commercial extraction from Cornwall. There is also geothermal energy available for domestic heating there; trials have proved the technology but again it's the cost .......
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 15, 2023 13:04:11 GMT
There is Lithium in Cornwall waiting to be extracted just as there is (still) tin, copper and indeed arsenic, silver and other minerals waiting to be extracted. It is the cost of extraction couple with the required working practices (not least of which is HASAW) that mitigate against any viable commercial extraction from Cornwall. There is also geothermal energy available for domestic heating there; trials have proved the technology but again it's the cost ....... Reading the latest US electrification plans. One of the risks stated is the US alone will require 3 times the worlds current lithium production rates to meet its objectives ... How are all these global electrification schemes going to come to fruition?
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 15, 2023 21:06:33 GMT
There is Lithium in Cornwall waiting to be extracted just as there is (still) tin, copper and indeed arsenic, silver and other minerals waiting to be extracted. It is the cost of extraction couple with the required working practices (not least of which is HASAW) that mitigate against any viable commercial extraction from Cornwall. There is also geothermal energy available for domestic heating there; trials have proved the technology but again it's the cost ....... Reading the latest US electrification plans. One of the risks stated is the US alone will require 3 times the worlds current lithium production rates to meet its objectives ... How are all these global electrification schemes going to come to fruition? It has also not gone un-noticed that lithium-ion batteries are responsible for a number of vehicle fires. Some of those have been potentially extremely dangerous being sudden, explosive and within confined spaces such as on board trains. Not a large number of fires but neither is there yet a large number of vehicles so powered as a proportion of all vehicles. Most of those there are include those wretched scooters which remain unlawful other than a few specific ones in designated trial areas. In consequence of which most rail operators now refuse to carry them as does TfL on any mode of public transport under its control. The technology has a little way to go yet before gaining widespread acceptance as a safe norm.
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Post by Paul on Aug 16, 2023 10:36:31 GMT
In consequence of which most rail operators now refuse to carry them as does TfL on any mode of public transport under its control It’s actually gone a little further than that and E-scooters and E-bikes are banned from any TfL premises to the extent that drivers are forbidden from bringing them onto garage property
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