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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 26, 2023 10:17:23 GMT
What routes are affected by the Notting Hill Carnival Routes that go through Notting Hill generally. Noticed the 94 and 148 weren't mentioned though thankfully, with the 7 and 70 going through Shepherds Bush and Notting Hill Gate via the 94 route so will be interesting seeing those routes when I go in that area tomorrow
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Post by cardinal on Aug 26, 2023 13:33:23 GMT
Routes that go through Notting Hill generally. Noticed the 94 and 148 weren't mentioned though thankfully, with the 7 and 70 going through Shepherds Bush and Notting Hill Gate via the 94 route so will be interesting seeing those routes when I go in that area tomorrow I note no extra buses have been mentioned so I would anticipate everything struggling.
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Post by surab21 on Aug 26, 2023 14:34:44 GMT
This is not the most appropriate thread but I will ask the near annual question: why does TfL not have extra buses running for Notting Hill Carnival?? There is an expected 2 million revelers over the two days and TfL still see it appropriate to have surrounding buses in the area run on Sunday timetables. No bus hubs at Notting Hill Gate and Elgin Avenue with TfL staff offering assistance. No more express routes (2X, 36X, 205X) ferrying people out of the area quickly. No extras on the 18 which gets royally shafted over the weekend, with the people of Harlesden and Stonebridge Park feeling it the most. The only thing that exists now is the 52 shuttle to NHG whilst the main service spends 2/3 of its time on diversion. The Covid hangover has almost disappeared but yet still these extras fail to resurface. It is all down to management, and sad to say the Son of a Bus Driver has done away with these extras single handedly. Presumably the planning/data suggests that LU can cope (with extra Ambassadors), even if it means temporary holds or station closures. I would assume that this is largely cost-driven, if TfL can get people in and out safely via Tube then there's no need for the expense of extra buses!
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 26, 2023 19:00:42 GMT
This is not the most appropriate thread but I will ask the near annual question: why does TfL not have extra buses running for Notting Hill Carnival?? There is an expected 2 million revelers over the two days and TfL still see it appropriate to have surrounding buses in the area run on Sunday timetables. No bus hubs at Notting Hill Gate and Elgin Avenue with TfL staff offering assistance. No more express routes (2X, 36X, 205X) ferrying people out of the area quickly. No extras on the 18 which gets royally shafted over the weekend, with the people of Harlesden and Stonebridge Park feeling it the most. The only thing that exists now is the 52 shuttle to NHG whilst the main service spends 2/3 of its time on diversion. The Covid hangover has almost disappeared but yet still these extras fail to resurface. It is all down to management, and sad to say the Son of a Bus Driver has done away with these extras single handedly. Presumably the planning/data suggests that LU can cope (with extra Ambassadors), even if it means temporary holds or station closures. I would assume that this is largely cost-driven, if TfL can get people in and out safely via Tube then there's no need for the expense of extra buses! Most ambassadors at big events provided by TfL are volunteers, so cost is not that big of a worry. And considering the express routes operated for a few hours each way and passengers had to pay for the service, it hardly screams loss leading to me. It is about logistics, specifically deploying staff in these crowded areas with limited connectivity due to the large crowds that is deterring TfL from carrying on. Ladbroke Grove and Westbourne Park are not a guarantee to get in either, with the latter being an exit station for most of the day and Ladbroke Grove itself gets cordoned off pretty regularly so not reliable. It should not even be a debate about either/or as the Tube and bus should compliment each other, but here we are.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 26, 2023 19:14:22 GMT
Presumably the planning/data suggests that LU can cope (with extra Ambassadors), even if it means temporary holds or station closures. I would assume that this is largely cost-driven, if TfL can get people in and out safely via Tube then there's no need for the expense of extra buses! Most ambassadors at big events provided by TfL are volunteers, so cost is not that big of a worry. And considering the express routes operated for a few hours each way and passengers had to pay for the service, it hardly screams loss leading to me. It is about logistics, specifically deploying staff in these crowded areas with limited connectivity due to the large crowds that is deterring TfL from carrying on. Ladbroke Grove and Westbourne Park are not a guarantee to get in either, with the latter being an exit station for most of the day and Ladbroke Grove itself gets cordoned off pretty regularly so not reliable. It should not even be a debate about either/or as the Tube and bus should compliment each other, but here we are. But as already pointed out by surab21 TfL have the data for LU and the same for buses and maybe they are just not justified. The TfL magic money tree only goes so far.
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 26, 2023 19:24:30 GMT
What are the routes which have recently seen a mix of single and double decks? 190, 355, D6, 286, 396, 163 soon, 203 for a tiny bit longer, I think I'm forgetting some obvious ones Updated List: 163, 165, 190, 203, 246, 286, 289, 296, 298, 303, 355, 371, 375, 396, A10, D6, U1, U3, W13 290 has scheduled 'deckers on school days and unscheduled ones at any time there isn't a suitable booked vehicle available.
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 26, 2023 19:27:12 GMT
Most ambassadors at big events provided by TfL are volunteers, so cost is not that big of a worry. And considering the express routes operated for a few hours each way and passengers had to pay for the service, it hardly screams loss leading to me. It is about logistics, specifically deploying staff in these crowded areas with limited connectivity due to the large crowds that is deterring TfL from carrying on. Ladbroke Grove and Westbourne Park are not a guarantee to get in either, with the latter being an exit station for most of the day and Ladbroke Grove itself gets cordoned off pretty regularly so not reliable. It should not even be a debate about either/or as the Tube and bus should compliment each other, but here we are. But as already pointed out by surab21 TfL have the data for LU and the same for buses and maybe they are just not justified. The TfL magic money tree only goes so far.
Remember the country is still short of bus drivers. There are rail-replacement jobs un-covered every weekend at present due to the shortage which causes all sorts of issues for both rail and road industries. A 36X (or SL-whatever in 2023-speak?) would be nice to get folk to an from Carnival as has been done before but if there are no staff then there will be no extra buses.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 26, 2023 19:48:24 GMT
Most ambassadors at big events provided by TfL are volunteers, so cost is not that big of a worry. And considering the express routes operated for a few hours each way and passengers had to pay for the service, it hardly screams loss leading to me. It is about logistics, specifically deploying staff in these crowded areas with limited connectivity due to the large crowds that is deterring TfL from carrying on. Ladbroke Grove and Westbourne Park are not a guarantee to get in either, with the latter being an exit station for most of the day and Ladbroke Grove itself gets cordoned off pretty regularly so not reliable. It should not even be a debate about either/or as the Tube and bus should compliment each other, but here we are. But as already pointed out by surab21 TfL have the data for LU and the same for buses and maybe they are just not justified. The TfL magic money tree only goes so far.
Yet still TfL had the cash to splash out on new bus stops, new livery and a completely unnecessary renumbering of four Superpoop routes. So long as those express buses were packed (not overloaded as ambassadors made sure of that) as they were in previous years, I choose to rely on bus data rather than Tube data regarding viability of the 2X, 36X and 205X. But alas, you do not have access to the data of which you speak, so best not repeat what I have already said.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 26, 2023 21:46:42 GMT
Would you guys say that the 128 and 150 pass through Chadwell Heath. Like the bit where the shops are straight after Goodmayes Park heading east
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Post by WH241 on Aug 26, 2023 22:03:26 GMT
Would you guys say that the 128 and 150 pass through Chadwell Heath. Like the bit where the shops are straight after Goodmayes Park heading east yes! I don’t wish to sound rude but I found out the answer within 2 seconds using Google Street View.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 26, 2023 22:25:18 GMT
Would you guys say that the 128 and 150 pass through Chadwell Heath. Like the bit where the shops are straight after Goodmayes Park heading east That's a very weird area, sitting on the border between Becontree, Goodmayes and Chadwell Heath. I'd probably say it's Becontree more so than Chadwell Heath, with Chadwell Heath being north of Green Lane from Mayfield Road onwards.
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Post by 15002 on Aug 27, 2023 1:04:03 GMT
Would you guys say that the 128 and 150 pass through Chadwell Heath. Like the bit where the shops are straight after Goodmayes Park heading east That's a very weird area, sitting on the border between Becontree, Goodmayes and Chadwell Heath. I'd probably say it's Becontree more so than Chadwell Heath, with Chadwell Heath being north of Green Lane from Mayfield Road onwards. It’s definitely a grey area for sure. I don’t believe it is in Chadwell Heath, think it barely misses it but I can definitely see it being in the Goodmayes/Becontree area.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 27, 2023 13:08:15 GMT
Excluding 24 hour routes, What bus route can you ride the most often in one day end to end. I reckon the 379 is a contender
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 27, 2023 13:15:58 GMT
Excluding 24 hour routes, What bus route can you ride the most often in one day end to end. I reckon the 379 is a contender The R9 I would say high frequency and you only have to get off at Orpington.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 27, 2023 13:21:36 GMT
Excluding 24 hour routes, What bus route can you ride the most often in one day end to end. I reckon the 379 is a contender W7
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