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Post by yunus on Jul 13, 2025 23:48:51 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered before. Excluding LTs & Central London, how strict are TFL with routes using different allocations in 'higher quantities'. For example, currently the E1 is Hybrid dominated when officially allocated B9s. That is just one example. From Metroline too, the 28 seems to operate exclusively with B9s daily. Would the operator need to get the OK from TFL before mixing up route vehicle allocations? The 28's three year contract is officially B9TL spec'd, ending around April 2027 I meant that it runs 100% with B9TLs daily whereas you have the E1 & 231 also allocated the same but hybrids appear regularly. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 13, 2025 23:59:20 GMT
The 28's three year contract is officially B9TL spec'd, ending around April 2027 I meant that it runs 100% with B9TLs daily whereas you have the E1 & 231 also allocated the same but hybrids appear regularly. Well look at the garages that the 28, 231 and E1 are at. If you look WJ it has mostly VWs and one BYD. The BYD is strictly allocated to the 206 so chances of it appearing on the 28 is nil (can it go on the 28 is a big question would it’s length prevent it going onto the 28), G were the E1 is has both hybrids and diesels so the chances of hybrids appearing on the E1 is high and PB were the 231 has EVs, hybrids and diesels and the chances of EVs and hybrids appearing on the 231 is pretty high because they are at the garage. I guess TfL don’t mind. |
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Post by yunus on Jul 14, 2025 0:06:37 GMT
I meant that it runs 100% with B9TLs daily whereas you have the E1 & 231 also allocated the same but hybrids appear regularly. Well look at the garages that the 28, 231 and E1 are at. If you look WJ it has mostly VWs and one BYD. The BYD is strictly allocated to the 206 so chances of it appearing on the 28 is nil (can it go on the 28 is a big question would it’s length prevent it going onto the 28), G were the E1 is has both hybrids and diesels so the chances of hybrids appearing on the E1 is high and PB were the 231 has EVs, hybrids and diesels and the chances of EVs and hybrids appearing on the 231 is pretty high because they are at the garage. I guess TfL don’t mind. Appreciate the response. The same probably applies with most garages but on another note, E seem to be strict with their Diesel routes the 121 & 191 also run exclusively with DWs, despite many EVs at the garage. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2025 0:10:29 GMT
Well look at the garages that the 28, 231 and E1 are at. If you look WJ it has mostly VWs and one BYD. The BYD is strictly allocated to the 206 so chances of it appearing on the 28 is nil (can it go on the 28 is a big question would it’s length prevent it going onto the 28), G were the E1 is has both hybrids and diesels so the chances of hybrids appearing on the E1 is high and PB were the 231 has EVs, hybrids and diesels and the chances of EVs and hybrids appearing on the 231 is pretty high because they are at the garage. I guess TfL don’t mind. Appreciate the response. The same probably applies with most garages but on another note, E seem to be strict with their Diesel routes the 121 & 191 also run exclusively with DWs, despite many EVs at the garage. Yeah some garages are flexible with there, some garages are strict and also some garages have drivers that sneak vehicles on routes when they are supposed not supposed to be on that route. |
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Post by mrhk on Jul 14, 2025 1:38:51 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered before. Excluding LTs & Central London, how strict are TFL with routes using different allocations in 'higher quantities'. For example, currently the E1 is Hybrid dominated when officially allocated B9s. That is just one example. From Metroline too, the 28 seems to operate exclusively with B9s daily. Would the operator need to get the OK from TFL before mixing up route vehicle allocations? It seems that for more outer London routes, like the E1 and 231, as they are allocated with the most polluting buses (if you compare them to hybrid and electric buses) I guess TFL turn the blind eye to workings such as VWHs on the E1 as it would be more cleaner and less polluting to run it with them instead. As for the 28, there is only really VWs at WJ (and that one BDE for the 206 but that's very strictly only been on the 206) it doesn't really have cleaner vehicles to run with so it just sticks to its allocated VWs. As a disclaimer, I'm just purely speculating but I do think that my theory makes a little bit of sense. |
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Post by intro on Jul 14, 2025 5:34:48 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered before. Excluding LTs & Central London, how strict are TFL with routes using different allocations in 'higher quantities'. For example, currently the E1 is Hybrid dominated when officially allocated B9s. That is just one example. From Metroline too, the 28 seems to operate exclusively with B9s daily. Would the operator need to get the OK from TFL before mixing up route vehicle allocations? I believe it was said the 157 didn't use Hybrids on Sundays under Arriva due to needing permission from TfL |
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Post by gwiwer on Jul 14, 2025 16:42:15 GMT
Ultimately if it fits and it works - use it. Otherwise the operator risks a penalty for failing to provide the contracted service at all.
FW uses hybrids on the 681 and night 281 duties when the BCEs are on charge. There are some BCEs out at night and often a hybrid all day to make up numbers. Just one example. They also appear to use any SD on their SD routes.
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Post by TB123 on Jul 14, 2025 16:47:31 GMT
Ultimately if it fits and it works - use it. Otherwise the operator risks a penalty for failing to provide the contracted service at all. FW uses hybrids on the 681 and night 281 duties when the BCEs are on charge. There are some BCEs out at night and often a hybrid all day to make up numbers. Just one example. They also appear to use any SD on their SD routes. Worth noting that the 65, 281, 290 and 371 are all contracted diesel buses as well as EVs |
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Post by cardinal on Jul 15, 2025 11:48:23 GMT
When drivers sign off the ticket machines at the end of their duties, do they see how much income their trips have made ?
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 15, 2025 14:01:11 GMT
When drivers sign off the ticket machines at the end of their duties, do they see how much income their trips have made ? No data. |
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Post by yunus on Jul 16, 2025 18:59:26 GMT
Can anyone travel on the N30 or is it exclusively for Heathrow staff? Also why does it not run on weekends?
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 16, 2025 19:17:42 GMT
Can anyone travel on the N30 or is it exclusively for Heathrow staff? Also why does it not run on weekends? Appears anyone can travel on it. It’s a £2 flat fare but Heathrow staff can get free travel within Heathrow zone and £1 for journeys outside of Heathrow. During weekends it only runs within Heathrow between T4-cargo area-T5-Central Bus station. www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/se/se-n30/ |
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Post by gwiwer on Jul 16, 2025 22:49:49 GMT
Can anyone travel on the N30 or is it exclusively for Heathrow staff? Also why does it not run on weekends? Appears anyone can travel on it. It’s a £2 flat fare but Heathrow staff can get free travel within Heathrow zone and £1 for journeys outside of Heathrow. During weekends it only runs within Heathrow between T4-cargo area-T5-Central Bus station. www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/se/se-n30/As the N30 and N555 would operate under London Service Permits within the TfL area (and the N30 is entirely within) so all passengers should be able to use the service. No free passes though! It's £2 a ride for all. |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 16, 2025 22:56:31 GMT
Appears anyone can travel on it. It’s a £2 flat fare but Heathrow staff can get free travel within Heathrow zone and £1 for journeys outside of Heathrow. During weekends it only runs within Heathrow between T4-cargo area-T5-Central Bus station. www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/se/se-n30/As the N30 and N555 would operate under London Service Permits within the TfL area (and the N30 is entirely within) so all passengers should be able to use the service. No free passes though! It's £2 a ride for all. Not according to Diamond Buses’ website where with valid Heathrow ID, staff get to ride free within the Heathrow zone and £1 for journeys beyond Heathrow. |
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Post by mark on Jul 20, 2025 7:16:13 GMT
Can anyone travel on the N30 or is it exclusively for Heathrow staff? Also why does it not run on weekends? The “off airport” section of the N30 does not run on the days when the night tube service operates on the Piccadilly Line. |
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