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Post by adl on Aug 8, 2024 6:33:34 GMT
HV167 AR > AD
HV35 AR > AD
BOTH buses were on the 217, I wonder what has replaced them.
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Post by adl on Aug 8, 2024 6:38:50 GMT
EH141 RR > SW
ODD that this one transferred I expected up to EH140 to transfer leaving 20 buses for the 115, PVR of 18. However if EH139/EH140 do transfer alongside this it’ll leave DS/RR short, I do wonder if they potentially will change the 115 to WHV operation to keep a common fleet.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2024 8:40:37 GMT
EH141 RR > SW ODD that this one transferred I expected up to EH140 to transfer leaving 20 buses for the 115, PVR of 18. However if EH139/EH140 do transfer alongside this it’ll leave DS/RR short, I do wonder if they potentially will change the 115 to WHV operation to keep a common fleet. Why would they? they have run a mixed fleet at DS since it opened and do this at most Go Ahead garages. It is best to wait and see what happens at the end of the month once the new tenders start on the 5,15 and 115.
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 8, 2024 12:53:59 GMT
EH141 RR > SW ODD that this one transferred I expected up to EH140 to transfer leaving 20 buses for the 115, PVR of 18. However if EH139/EH140 do transfer alongside this it’ll leave DS/RR short, I do wonder if they potentially will change the 115 to WHV operation to keep a common fleet. EH141 RR > SW ODD that this one transferred I expected up to EH140 to transfer leaving 20 buses for the 115, PVR of 18. However if EH139/EH140 do transfer alongside this it’ll leave DS/RR short, I do wonder if they potentially will change the 115 to WHV operation to keep a common fleet. Why would they? they have run a mixed fleet at DS since it opened and do this at most Go Ahead garages. It is best to wait and see what happens at the end of the month once the new tenders start on the 5,15 and 115.
Well according to LBR the 115 is being retained with 15 hybrids which could explain it. Could be an incorrect number though, can’t remember if it’s PVR is slightly changing on renewal or not but I certainly don’t think it said 15 on the tender award, unless plans have changed
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 13:59:25 GMT
EH141 RR > SW ODD that this one transferred I expected up to EH140 to transfer leaving 20 buses for the 115, PVR of 18. However if EH139/EH140 do transfer alongside this it’ll leave DS/RR short, I do wonder if they potentially will change the 115 to WHV operation to keep a common fleet. Why would they? they have run a mixed fleet at DS since it opened and do this at most Go Ahead garages. It is best to wait and see what happens at the end of the month once the new tenders start on the 5,15 and 115. Well according to LBR the 115 is being retained with 15 hybrids which could explain it. Could be an incorrect number though, can’t remember if it’s PVR is slightly changing on renewal or not but I certainly don’t think it said 15 on the tender award, unless plans have changed The 115 was retained with 18 vehicles so your correct in regards to it not saying 15 on the award - following taken from the tender result page on here: 29th January 2024 LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below: Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles 5/N15 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 30 Existing New Routemaster 15 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 14 Existing New Routemaster 115 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 18 Existing hybrid double deck 640 Sullivan Buses Metroline 2 Existing hybrid double deck The hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards. The start and end dates for the above contracts are detailed in the following table: Route Contract Start Date Contract End Date 5/N15 24th August 2024 24th August 2029 15 24th August 2024 24th August 2029 115 24th August 2024 23rd August 2030 640 31st August 2024 27th August 2027
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 8, 2024 16:51:12 GMT
The 115 was retained with 18 vehicles so your correct in regards to it not saying 15 on the award - following taken from the tender result page on here: That’s for clarifying that So it could be a late change and it does reduce to 15 (we’ll find out in a couple of weeks ish), or adl to answer your question it could be DS only deem one spare for the 115 necessary. Given there are a huge pool of deckers laying around at RR/DS for the school routes which constantly find themselves on the 115, there’s usually always a bus they can stick out on it. If anything higher than EH141 goes over to SW then that certainly will put the cat amongst the pigeons, or EH141 could even be a temporary transfer to aid with refurb floats or VOR cover. Quite a few possibilities, but I reckon it’ll the former with only having 1 spare decker
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Post by dace2 on Aug 8, 2024 16:56:12 GMT
HV167 AR > AD HV35 AR > AD BOTH buses were on the 217, I wonder what has replaced them. 217 is in AR though.
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Post by adl on Aug 8, 2024 16:57:06 GMT
The 115 was retained with 18 vehicles so your correct in regards to it not saying 15 on the award - following taken from the tender result page on here: That’s for clarifying that So it could be a late change and it does reduce to 15 (we’ll find out in a couple of weeks ish), or adl to answer your question it could be DS only deem one spare for the 115 necessary. Given there are a huge pool of deckers laying around at RR/DS for the school routes which constantly find themselves on the 115, there’s usually always a bus they can stick out on it. If anything higher than EH141 goes over to SW then that certainly will put the cat amongst the pigeons, or EH141 could even be a temporary transfer to aid with refurb floats or VOR cover. Quite a few possibilities, but I reckon it’ll the former with only having 1 spare decker Where did the PVR of 15 come from, I stated the 5/15/115 as in bus routes not as a PVR. I highly doubt the 115 will just have one spare especially if its using EHs as the 115 drivers currently are ONLY type trained on EHs and there are currently EH150 VOR as well and even some of the older EHs have gone to SW, which makes me wonder whether they may be trying to standardise apart from the 44 to EHs at SW.
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Post by adl on Aug 8, 2024 16:58:03 GMT
HV167 AR > AD HV35 AR > AD BOTH buses were on the 217, I wonder what has replaced them. 217 is in AR though. You completely missed my point, both WERE on the 217 they are now back at their respective garages HV167 is back at AD on the 102 and HV35 is back at BN on the 50, HV35 was supposed to say AR > BN.
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 8, 2024 17:11:49 GMT
That’s for clarifying that So it could be a late change and it does reduce to 15 (we’ll find out in a couple of weeks ish), or adl to answer your question it could be DS only deem one spare for the 115 necessary. Given there are a huge pool of deckers laying around at RR/DS for the school routes which constantly find themselves on the 115, there’s usually always a bus they can stick out on it. If anything higher than EH141 goes over to SW then that certainly will put the cat amongst the pigeons, or EH141 could even be a temporary transfer to aid with refurb floats or VOR cover. Quite a few possibilities, but I reckon it’ll the former with only having 1 spare decker Where did the PVR of 15 come from, I stated the 5/15/115 as in bus routes not as a PVR. I highly doubt the 115 will just have one spare especially if its using EHs as the 115 drivers currently are ONLY type trained on EHs and there are currently EH150 VOR as well and even some of the older EHs have gone to SW, which makes me wonder whether they may be trying to standardise apart from the 44 to EHs at SW. As I said above, LBR has stated the 115 will be renewed on its new contract starting on 24th August will have a PVR of just 15, but this figure is likely to be erroneous imo. But if true, explains your point about why more YW17 EHs are heading over to SW
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2024 17:29:33 GMT
Where did the PVR of 15 come from, I stated the 5/15/115 as in bus routes not as a PVR. I highly doubt the 115 will just have one spare especially if its using EHs as the 115 drivers currently are ONLY type trained on EHs and there are currently EH150 VOR as well and even some of the older EHs have gone to SW, which makes me wonder whether they may be trying to standardise apart from the 44 to EHs at SW. As I said above, LBR has stated the 115 will be renewed on its new contract starting on 24th August will have a PVR of just 15, but this figure is likely to be erroneous imo. But if true, explains your point about why more YW17 EHs are heading over to SW The 115's tender result did specify keeping the current PVR of 18, so if this is true, that is a recent change. Not sure what any 17reg EHs at SW would be needed for, unless they are just a temporary allocation, or perhaps replacing the non-standard WSDs? My guess is that they could eventually move to Q for the 1. Currently the 1 is using some of the 35's EHs (as its MHVs have gone elsewhere), and the 35 using some spare Ees (which I think on paper are the 57's batch, with the 57 using some from the 151?). Alternatively if Go Ahead did want to simplify allocations, it could be logical to swap the 1/115? So the 115 using WHVs, which would be common across DS/RR/SI with the 147, 368 and some school routes. With the 1 being fully allocated EHs (EHs then becoming the only hybrid type at Q).
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2024 17:32:59 GMT
As I said above, LBR has stated the 115 will be renewed on its new contract starting on 24th August will have a PVR of just 15, but this figure is likely to be erroneous imo. But if true, explains your point about why more YW17 EHs are heading over to SW The 115's tender result did specify keeping the current PVR of 18, so if this is true, that is a recent change. Not sure what any 17reg EHs at SW would be needed for, unless they are just a temporary allocation, or perhaps replacing the non-standard WSDs? My guess is that they could eventually move to Q for the 1. Currently the 1 is using some of the 35's EHs (as its MHVs have gone elsewhere), and the 35 using some spare Ees (which I think on paper are the 57's batch, with the 57 using some from the 151?). Alternatively if Go Ahead did want to simplify allocations, it could be logical to swap the 1/115? So the 115 using WHVs, which would be common across DS/RR/SI with the 147, 368 and some school routes. With the 1 being fully allocated EHs (EHs then becoming the only hybrid type at Q). But as I said in another post Go Ahead have no issues with mixed types. They do this at most garages without issues. From an enthusiast perspective I would like the 147 to be fully MHV but it is what it is. I just hope they are refurbished soon.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 8, 2024 22:04:56 GMT
You completely missed my point, both WERE on the 217 they are now back at their respective garages HV167 is back at AD on the 102 and HV35 is back at BN on the 50, HV35 was supposed to say AR > BN. I don't know how quick those G2 B5LHs are, so might be a sitting duck when trying to get onto a fast A10 on the 217. I think all buses from far and wide were thrown at the 217, AR should have any 158 spares to hand in terms of faster DWs. Is HV37 still at AR or is that heading back South?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 22:57:59 GMT
As I said above, LBR has stated the 115 will be renewed on its new contract starting on 24th August will have a PVR of just 15, but this figure is likely to be erroneous imo. But if true, explains your point about why more YW17 EHs are heading over to SW The 115's tender result did specify keeping the current PVR of 18, so if this is true, that is a recent change. Not sure what any 17reg EHs at SW would be needed for, unless they are just a temporary allocation, or perhaps replacing the non-standard WSDs? My guess is that they could eventually move to Q for the 1. Currently the 1 is using some of the 35's EHs (as its MHVs have gone elsewhere), and the 35 using some spare Ees (which I think on paper are the 57's batch, with the 57 using some from the 151?). Alternatively if Go Ahead did want to simplify allocations, it could be logical to swap the 1/115? So the 115 using WHVs, which would be common across DS/RR/SI with the 147, 368 and some school routes. With the 1 being fully allocated EHs (EHs then becoming the only hybrid type at Q). The 337 took a few to cover for some E's that went elsewhere and the others are presumably covering for MHV's being refurbished.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 9, 2024 0:00:37 GMT
The 115's tender result did specify keeping the current PVR of 18, so if this is true, that is a recent change. Not sure what any 17reg EHs at SW would be needed for, unless they are just a temporary allocation, or perhaps replacing the non-standard WSDs? My guess is that they could eventually move to Q for the 1. Currently the 1 is using some of the 35's EHs (as its MHVs have gone elsewhere), and the 35 using some spare Ees (which I think on paper are the 57's batch, with the 57 using some from the 151?). Alternatively if Go Ahead did want to simplify allocations, it could be logical to swap the 1/115? So the 115 using WHVs, which would be common across DS/RR/SI with the 147, 368 and some school routes. With the 1 being fully allocated EHs (EHs then becoming the only hybrid type at Q). But as I said in another post Go Ahead have no issues with mixed types. They do this at most garages without issues. From an enthusiast perspective I would like the 147 to be fully MHV but it is what it is. I just hope they are refurbished soon. Have the WHVs on the 368 been refurbished yet? Hopefully the 147 and 368 won't be like the 101 and never have its allocation of vehicles refurbished.
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