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Post by DT 11 on Jul 21, 2024 18:28:11 GMT
I need to see if this is true, anyone got a picture of it? No need for a picture it definitely has LED blinds you have my word it has also been missing for few weeks as well as HV281 & HV283. I actually had a feeling this would happen to these HVs as apparently TFL would like this spec on existing buses for future contracts. If I get an opportunity this week I’ll take a picture of it. Ok here is the picture HV281 & HV282 fully refurbished and fitted with LED blinds Sorry the photograph is not clear but the blinds are 100% LED.
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 21, 2024 18:32:33 GMT
No need for a picture it definitely has LED blinds you have my word it has also been missing for few weeks as well as HV281 & HV283. I actually had a feeling this would happen to these HVs as apparently TFL would like this spec on existing buses for future contracts. If I get an opportunity this week I’ll take a picture of it. Ok here is the picture HV281 & HV282 fully refurbished and fitted with LED blinds Sorry the photograph is not clear but the blinds are 100% LED. With 2, 249 and 468 all being recently retained, I assume all Gemini 3 HVs at N will have LEDs soon. I do wonder if HV280 will be an exception as that was refurbished ages ago and still has powerblinds
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 21, 2024 18:38:22 GMT
Ok here is the picture HV281 & HV282 fully refurbished and fitted with LED blinds Sorry the photograph is not clear but the blinds are 100% LED. With 2, 249 and 468 all being recently retained, I assume all Gemini 3 HVs at N will have LEDs soon. I do wonder if HV280 will be an exception as that was refurbished ages ago and still has powerblinds I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens means vehicles can be used on the 202 & 432 as well as only the 67 plates and HV132-144, 280, have 202 on the blinds. Alongside HV27, 280, 398-412 the only buses with 432. Now HV281 & 282 can be used with the LED blinds.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 21, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
HV282 Attachments:
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2024 18:54:11 GMT
Great pictures and loving the new additions to the HV’s
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 21, 2024 19:53:28 GMT
No need for a picture it definitely has LED blinds you have my word it has also been missing for few weeks as well as HV281 & HV283. I actually had a feeling this would happen to these HVs as apparently TFL would like this spec on existing buses for future contracts. If I get an opportunity this week I’ll take a picture of it. Ok here is the picture HV281 & HV282 fully refurbished and fitted with LED blinds Sorry the photograph is not clear but the blinds are 100% LED. I hope they’re Mobitec McKenna screens that Arriva have stuck with so far 😀😀
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Post by sp17 on Jul 21, 2024 19:53:42 GMT
Was on a Gemini 3 earlier for the first time in about two years, it really does have an upmarket appeal to it, obvious issues but still a stellar vehicle. Love the screen too!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 21, 2024 19:58:05 GMT
Was on a Gemini 3 earlier for the first time in about two years, it really does have an upmarket appeal to it, obvious issues but still a stellar vehicle. Love the screen too! Would probably say the complete opposite, on the Gemini 3s the lower deck iBus screen doesn't even fit on the wall that it's affixed to, compared to the MMC where it has its own internally designed compartment to fit into. Then the upper deck windows being small just makes it feel extremely dark inside and not very appealing to the average traveller. The MMC pretty much smashes it in every aspect from a passenger's perspective. Going back to the HV in question, the refurb is a perfect example of what refurbishments should be at the moment, no matter the operator involved. Internally updated iBus screens should be mandated on each case and really if possible rear facing ones too for the wheelchair areas.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2024 21:29:04 GMT
Was on a Gemini 3 earlier for the first time in about two years, it really does have an upmarket appeal to it, obvious issues but still a stellar vehicle. Love the screen too! Would probably say the complete opposite, on the Gemini 3s the lower deck iBus screen doesn't even fit on the wall that it's affixed to, compared to the MMC where it has its own internally designed compartment to fit into. Then the upper deck windows being small just makes it feel extremely dark inside and not very appealing to the average traveller. The MMC pretty much smashes it in every aspect from a passenger's perspective. Going back to the HV in question, the refurb is a perfect example of what refurbishments should be at the moment, no matter the operator involved. Internally updated iBus screens should be mandated on each case and really if possible rear facing ones too for the wheelchair areas. In all fairness, I don't think the I-Bus screen fitted neatly on the Eclipse Gemini or Pulsar Gemini either. The upper deck windows though are indefensible however the Gemini3 is so much better ventilated than any of it's rivals, especially the Evoseti's which are like ovens. The MMC is my personal favourite in almost every department except for ventilation where the Gemini3 excels there IMO.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 21, 2024 21:34:26 GMT
Would probably say the complete opposite, on the Gemini 3s the lower deck iBus screen doesn't even fit on the wall that it's affixed to, compared to the MMC where it has its own internally designed compartment to fit into. Then the upper deck windows being small just makes it feel extremely dark inside and not very appealing to the average traveller. The MMC pretty much smashes it in every aspect from a passenger's perspective. Going back to the HV in question, the refurb is a perfect example of what refurbishments should be at the moment, no matter the operator involved. Internally updated iBus screens should be mandated on each case and really if possible rear facing ones too for the wheelchair areas. In all fairness, I don't think the I-Bus screen fitted neatly on the Eclipse Gemini or Pulsar Gemini either. The upper deck windows though are indefensible however the Gemini3 is so much better ventilated than any of it's rivals, especially the Evoseti's which are like ovens. The MMC is my personal favourite in almost every department except for ventilation where the Gemini3 excels there IMO. That's very true, however both the Eclipse Gemini 2 and Pulsar/Eclipse Gemini were both designed with traditional stopping signs in mind so it's understandable that the bus wouldn't have been designed for it, however by the time of the Gemini 3 stuff like that really should have been sorted out. But instead there seems to have been focus on trying to make the product cheaper which didn't seem to go down very well with many operators. Wright in general seem to ventilate their buses very well. MMCs are a huge improvement on their predecessor, (unlucky if you're the one sat on the front right on an MMC and are having a load of cold air blasted onto you constantly) but they don't match the balanced ventilation of any Gemini vehicles.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2024 21:41:38 GMT
In all fairness, I don't think the I-Bus screen fitted neatly on the Eclipse Gemini or Pulsar Gemini either. The upper deck windows though are indefensible however the Gemini3 is so much better ventilated than any of it's rivals, especially the Evoseti's which are like ovens. The MMC is my personal favourite in almost every department except for ventilation where the Gemini3 excels there IMO. That's very true, however both the Eclipse Gemini 2 and Pulsar/Eclipse Gemini were both designed with traditional stopping signs in mind so it's understandable that the bus wouldn't have been designed for it, however by the time of the Gemini 3 stuff like that really should have been sorted out. But instead there seems to have been focus on trying to make the product cheaper which didn't seem to go down very well with many operators. Wright in general seem to ventilate their buses very well. MMCs are a huge improvement on their predecessor, (unlucky if you're the one sat on the front right on an MMC and are having a load of cold air blasted onto you constantly) but they don't match the balanced ventilation of any Gemini vehicles. I agree they should of made improvements there but at the same time, I don't think it's as important as say when ADL were making Enviro 200's with terrible rear legroom though they did rectify it eventually and the Enviro 200 MMC is such a massive upgrade over the old body Enviro 200 from a passenger point of view. The MMC is an improvement for sure and I actually like the cold air blasting on me during the warmer weather but outside of that period, yeah it's very annoying and that's my favourite seat.
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Post by sp17 on Jul 22, 2024 10:19:03 GMT
Was on a Gemini 3 earlier for the first time in about two years, it really does have an upmarket appeal to it, obvious issues but still a stellar vehicle. Love the screen too! Would probably say the complete opposite, on the Gemini 3s the lower deck iBus screen doesn't even fit on the wall that it's affixed to, compared to the MMC where it has its own internally designed compartment to fit into. Then the upper deck windows being small just makes it feel extremely dark inside and not very appealing to the average traveller. The MMC pretty much smashes it in every aspect from a passenger's perspective. Going back to the HV in question, the refurb is a perfect example of what refurbishments should be at the moment, no matter the operator involved. Internally updated iBus screens should be mandated on each case and really if possible rear facing ones too for the wheelchair areas. But you’re not an average traveller, you’re an enthusiast who doesn’t look at things in the average way. I can’t imagine someone measuring at the size of the windows and the placement of the ibus screen. That said I respect your opinion and I agree regarding the windows on the Gemini 3, but as someone who’s driven both the Gemini is a better bus.
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 23, 2024 7:11:40 GMT
Would probably say the complete opposite, on the Gemini 3s the lower deck iBus screen doesn't even fit on the wall that it's affixed to, compared to the MMC where it has its own internally designed compartment to fit into. Then the upper deck windows being small just makes it feel extremely dark inside and not very appealing to the average traveller. The MMC pretty much smashes it in every aspect from a passenger's perspective. Going back to the HV in question, the refurb is a perfect example of what refurbishments should be at the moment, no matter the operator involved. Internally updated iBus screens should be mandated on each case and really if possible rear facing ones too for the wheelchair areas. But you’re not an average traveller, you’re an enthusiast who doesn’t look at things in the average way. I can’t imagine someone measuring at the size of the windows and the placement of the ibus screen. That said I respect your opinion and I agree regarding the windows on the Gemini 3, but as someone who’s driven both the Gemini is a better bus. The small windows on the G3/StreetDeck really are unforgivable imo, and I’d also like to pick up your point on non enthusiasts caring about this. I went on a G3 late last year with a couple of friends, and they’re not enthusiastis, just run of the mill passengers. They said to me these windows make the bus feel very claustrophobic (we were say about 2/3 of the way back). Now I know that regular passengers don’t care about most things we like as long as it picks them up and drops them off where they want. But things at a basic level of comfort, visibility and temperature etc they do care about. And these small windows are a fatal error, if you sit by an opening window it protrudes into your eyesight and you’re always trying to look round it, that’s not comfortable. And because they’re small, the opening portions are also incredibly small they don’t let much air in. The Norwich Electroliners exposed a *major* flaw on Sunday. There are no opening windows upstairs at the front of the bus, on the drivers side the first opening window is half way along, on the kerbside it’s a third of the way along. This turns the front of the bus into a complete pressure cooker, even while the air chiller system was activated. How that passed the design phase I don’t know, as that really is completely unforgivable
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Post by Dad91 on Jul 23, 2024 14:40:50 GMT
Was on a Gemini 3 earlier for the first time in about two years, it really does have an upmarket appeal to it, obvious issues but still a stellar vehicle. Love the screen too! Would probably say the complete opposite, on the Gemini 3s the lower deck iBus screen doesn't even fit on the wall that it's affixed to, compared to the MMC where it has its own internally designed compartment to fit into. Then the upper deck windows being small just makes it feel extremely dark inside and not very appealing to the average traveller. The MMC pretty much smashes it in every aspect from a passenger's perspective. Going back to the HV in question, the refurb is a perfect example of what refurbishments should be at the moment, no matter the operator involved. Internally updated iBus screens should be mandated on each case and really if possible rear facing ones too for the wheelchair areas. this was best Refurbishment from Arriva London did operators should learn from this near future not Hideous looking leather seats
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 23, 2024 16:08:44 GMT
I managed to get a picture of HV281. Not the best but yeah they've got LEDs. HV283 also has LEDs according to LVF, but that doesn't seem to have been out yet
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