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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 20:58:56 GMT
Okay I don't know how many of our members here are Tube enthusiasts too, but I went to Euston on Tuesday to see the mock-up of the new S-stock train that's due to be introduced on the Circle, Metropolitan, District and Ham & City lines over the next few years. And I came back with some pics, just in case anyone here's interested I must mention that these images are large in size (over 600kb).1: General interior view2: General interior view (including set of doors)3: Longitudinal seating4: Emergency stop button5: LED display announcing "next station"6: Doors7: Tip-up seating8: General interior view again9: Articulated section10: Close-up of seats11: Transverse seating12: More seats13: General interior layout14: Another view of transverse seats15: View showing the Met line map16: LED displays again, annoucing train heading for "Amersham"17: Seating next to articulated section18: General interior view19: Lighting units and air-con slots20: Transverse seating again21: 'Met line' section, longitudinal seating (with a bit of transverse in view)22: General interior view again23: Exterior (I got this photo just as the doors were closing)24: Close-up of 'Door Open/Close' button25: Exterior #226: Exterior #327: Exterior #4 (with mock-up 'Euston Square' platform)28: Close-up of 'Door Open/Close' button, plus Wheelchair access stickerHope you like them p.s. shame on me for mentioning this, seeing as I'm a Moderator but I wasn't sure where to post this thread - technically it's about LU so it should belong in this board, but then, due to the photographs, it should also be in the Photography board. But then I noticed that board appears to be for buses only, so therefore I'll leave it here. If any of the other staff members wish to move this thread then that's fine.
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Post by john on Oct 3, 2008 0:27:48 GMT
I saw a poster of this while i was running for my Jubilee Line train. Was very intrigued. Anyway, it looks very odd for a LUL unit. Especially between carriages, makes it look alot more like a train, rather than something on the London Underground network!!
Also, are these going to represent what the Overground network are to recieve?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2008 2:14:54 GMT
Also, are these going to represent what the Overground network are to recieve? No. The Overground network are getting class 378's, which are Electrostars based loosely on the the class 376. Here are some links: WikipediaLondon Reconnections Blog (with images of the real thing!) London Reconnections Blog (a few more images) Incidentally, I know a fair amount about my new office - the S stock - if there are any questions....
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Post by john on Oct 3, 2008 14:26:42 GMT
Well, they look great on the outside, but those Overground trains have, what can be saidly politely, a horrid inetrior. Who the hell came up with that!!!
Anyway, as for the S stock, are they going to be faster than the current crap on the District Line ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2008 15:13:14 GMT
I like the new Overground interior. I just wish they had the same seating arrangement as in *Insert Coin*'s photos of the new Hammersmith & City line trains. I totally understand the need for more standing space, but it is like they have gone from one extreme to the other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2008 16:52:38 GMT
Well, they look great on the outside, but those Overground trains have, what can be saidly politely, a horrid inetrior. Who the hell came up with that!!! I can't say I like it either - still at least the inevitable vomit will be easily disguised! ;D ;D Anyway, as for the S stock, are they going to be faster than the current crap on the District Line ;D Much of the problem with the current District line is the restrictions of the signalling system - the D stocks are capable of 50mph (though admittedly max line speed is 45 mph) - we just don't get the opportunity to stretch their legs enough. In terms of the S stock, acceleration will be improved by having all axles motored, and eventually new signalling coupled with ATO & ATP (automatic train operation/protection) will speed things up too. I believe the plan with the signalling is to have 'moving block' as opposed to the current 'fixed block' set-up - so things will almosr certainly improve in the long term
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Post by snowman on Oct 3, 2008 19:21:33 GMT
It will be quite a while before they replace the D stock (around 2016-2018)
The Metroploitan and circle and Hammersmith-City are first and they are being built after the Victoria line stock. Trains are designed to be 6 or 7 or 8 cars, (to suit platform lengths) although the shortest platforms (stations around Paddington area) might get extensions so could be no 6 car trains)
The Articulated design is good, (similar to the new Paris stock) as it makes it easier to move to less crowded areas. However the interior looks like poor version of the refurbished C69 stock. Brutal lines and kinks (probably officially called vandal proof) rather than the sweeping curves of the old R stock
As the stock is identical for each of these lines, it needs to be able to run at 70mph on the Amersham line, possibly the outer ends of the District will see higher speeds eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2008 14:10:30 GMT
Well, they look great on the outside, but those Overground trains have, what can be saidly politely, a horrid inetrior. Who the hell came up with that!!! I can't say I like it either - still at least the inevitable vomit will be easily disguised! ;D ;D Eww I agree I don't like the interior either - that moquette especially, looks like the designers tried to replicate the 80's LT moquette (found on old D-stock, Titans and Metros) - and then they sneezed ;D It will be quite a while before they replace the D stock (around 2016-2018) The Metroploitan and circle and Hammersmith-City are first and they are being built after the Victoria line stock. Trains are designed to be 6 or 7 or 8 cars, (to suit platform lengths) although the shortest platforms (stations around Paddington area) might get extensions so could be no 6 car trains) The Articulated design is good, (similar to the new Paris stock) as it makes it easier to move to less crowded areas. However the interior looks like poor version of the refurbished C69 stock. Brutal lines and kinks (probably officially called vandal proof) rather than the sweeping curves of the old R stock As the stock is identical for each of these lines, it needs to be able to run at 70mph on the Amersham line, possibly the outer ends of the District will see higher speeds eventually. I thought ALL of the S-stock was due to be in service by 2015? Additionally I've heard that the stock is going to be limited to 62mph - so regarding the 70mph I'm not sure about that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2008 2:40:54 GMT
It will be quite a while before they replace the D stock (around 2016-2018) Wrong - the S stock is scheduled to be delivered to the District line between 2013 and 2015. The Metroploitan and circle and Hammersmith-City are first and they are being built after the Victoria line stock. You're more or less on the money there: Metropolitan - 2010 to 2011 Hammersmith & City / Circle - 2011 to 2013 Trains are designed to be 6 or 7 or 8 cars, (to suit platform lengths) although the shortest platforms (stations around Paddington area) might get extensions so could be no 6 car trains) The current situation is that the Metropolitan line will have 8 cars and the Hammersmith & City, Circle and District lines will have 7 cars. That is the order as placed by LU with Bombardier and has not [nor is it planned to] change. As the stock is identical for each of these lines, it needs to be able to run at 70mph on the Amersham line, possibly the outer ends of the District will see higher speeds eventually. That's an interesting claim - the A stocks are limited to 50mph due their ageing bogies....and I believe that the current max line speed on the Metropolitan line is 60mph (ie, for Chiltern). Track condition, as well as the capacity of the signalling, also play a large part in the setting of line speeds. My understanding is that the max design speed of S stock will be 60mph, as LU simply does not require anything higher than this these days. Also, S stock will have 'tube' sized wheels (like the current D stock) as opposed to 'full size' wheels (like the current A & C stocks) - there will always be a finite speed that can be achieved with electric motors and certain sizes of wheel, another reason for the 60mph max design speed.
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Post by snowman on Oct 5, 2008 8:54:28 GMT
It will be quite a while before they replace the D stock (around 2016-2018) Wrong - the S stock is scheduled to be delivered to the District line between 2013 and 2015. You're more or less on the money there: Metropolitan - 2010 to 2011 Hammersmith & City / Circle - 2011 to 2013 The current situation is that the Metropolitan line will have 8 cars and the Hammersmith & City, Circle and District lines will have 7 cars. That is the order as placed by LU with Bombardier and has not [nor is it planned to] change. As the stock is identical for each of these lines, it needs to be able to run at 70mph on the Amersham line, possibly the outer ends of the District will see higher speeds eventually. That's an interesting claim - the A stocks are limited to 50mph due their ageing bogies....and I believe that the current max line speed on the Metropolitan line is 60mph (ie, for Chiltern). Track condition, as well as the capacity of the signalling, also play a large part in the setting of line speeds. My understanding is that the max design speed of S stock will be 60mph, as LU simply does not require anything higher than this these days. Also, S stock will have 'tube' sized wheels (like the current D stock) as opposed to 'full size' wheels (like the current A & C stocks) - there will always be a finite speed that can be achieved with electric motors and certain sizes of wheel, another reason for the 60mph max design speed. I took the A stock top speed from an article describing them. I hadn't realised the engineers now think they are too fragile to work at their design speed. Presumably they are maintained to lower standards otherwise they would be maintained to the original stress loads. One of the advantages of the 100 kmh (62mph) top speed is they can use similar components to the new Victoria line stock. The rotational motor speed limit is only relevant if you mount the motor on the hub, traditionally many were geared so the gear ratio determined the motor speed relative to wheel turning speed.
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Post by sw11simon on Oct 5, 2008 10:09:01 GMT
Wrong - the S stock is scheduled to be delivered to the District line between 2013 and 2015. You're more or less on the money there: Metropolitan - 2010 to 2011 Hammersmith & City / Circle - 2011 to 2013 The current situation is that the Metropolitan line will have 8 cars and the Hammersmith & City, Circle and District lines will have 7 cars. That is the order as placed by LU with Bombardier and has not [nor is it planned to] change. That's an interesting claim - the A stocks are limited to 50mph due their ageing bogies....and I believe that the current max line speed on the Metropolitan line is 60mph (ie, for Chiltern). Track condition, as well as the capacity of the signalling, also play a large part in the setting of line speeds. My understanding is that the max design speed of S stock will be 60mph, as LU simply does not require anything higher than this these days. Also, S stock will have 'tube' sized wheels (like the current D stock) as opposed to 'full size' wheels (like the current A & C stocks) - there will always be a finite speed that can be achieved with electric motors and certain sizes of wheel, another reason for the 60mph max design speed. I took the A stock top speed from an article describing them. I hadn't realised the engineers now think they are too fragile to work at their design speed. Presumably they are maintained to lower standards otherwise they would be maintained to the original stress loads. One of the advantages of the 100 kmh (62mph) top speed is they can use similar components to the new Victoria line stock. The rotational motor speed limit is only relevant if you mount the motor on the hub, traditionally many were geared so the gear ratio determined the motor speed relative to wheel turning speed. The A stock is nearly 50 years old. There is going to be some deterioration in that time as 40 years is thought to be the max life span of a train for LU. I therefore think allegations of lower maintenance are a little unfair. In fact I suspect they have been receiving pretty high maintenance levels to keep them going!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 8:58:27 GMT
I think its cool that they look like bendy buses
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 8:59:50 GMT
I think its cool that they look like bendy buses Long live the A stock and the unrefurbished D stock !!!! ;D but they are going soon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 9:31:18 GMT
I think its cool that they look like bendy buses Long live the A stock and the unrefurbished D stock !!!! ;D You're a BIT late about the unrefurbished D stock. That programme was completed mid-2008! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 9:35:53 GMT
Long live the A stock and the unrefurbished D stock !!!! ;D You're a BIT late about the unrefurbished D stock. That programme was completed mid-2008! ;D Im saying that because they were my favs and I was actually on the last unrefurbished train :Pso please dont think that im that dumb! ;D
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