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Post by COBO on Jun 28, 2020 22:51:46 GMT
I don’t get the constant obsession with moving the X140 out of HD. Is it more logical to say move it out of HD because it doesn’t serve Harrow Weald and then move it to G or PA which it also doesn’t serve? If we start kicking routes out garages because it doesn’t serve the area, we will have plenty of homeless routes and even some empty garages. I think X140 is operated fine from HD. All dead runs are at the Harrow end and there’s 4 routes to use to travel between HD and Harrow for the 10 minute journey. I also think having driver changeovers in the middle of an express route, like what would happen if it moved to G or PA, will defeat the purpose of an express route when it suddenly stops moving for a few minutes to change drivers. I’m sure passengers of the 607 are frustrated when it has to stop for a few minutes to change drivers in the middle of the route, which is why moving the 607 back to UX is something I agree on with you. Sorry rant over HD requires several night routes to be based there to make space for the day routes (140 182 186 X140). As the N5 will transfer to RATP soon, this can only continue if another night route moves to HD, or perhaps the rest of the N98 allocation (currently part AC). Moving a route out of HD would instantly relieve the capacity pressure at HD, and the X140 makes the most sense due to the small PVR, as well as not serving the area around HD (the 186 does not pass the garage but is not far away at Locket Road). Several other Metroline garages could run the X140, though all would likely require live changeovers, e.g. G at Yeading or PA at Northolt. If the X140 were to move out of, HD could just operate the 140/N140, 182 and 186. The N98 could possibly return to fully AC. But if the N98 moved out then the 186 would have to move out. The reason why the N5 and N98 are at HD is to make room for the 186. Without them HD doesn’t have enough space.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 28, 2020 22:59:16 GMT
I don’t get the constant obsession with moving the X140 out of HD. Is it more logical to say move it out of HD because it doesn’t serve Harrow Weald and then move it to G or PA which it also doesn’t serve? If we start kicking routes out garages because it doesn’t serve the area, we will have plenty of homeless routes and even some empty garages. I think X140 is operated fine from HD. All dead runs are at the Harrow end and there’s 4 routes to use to travel between HD and Harrow for the 10 minute journey. I also think having driver changeovers in the middle of an express route, like what would happen if it moved to G or PA, will defeat the purpose of an express route when it suddenly stops moving for a few minutes to change drivers. I’m sure passengers of the 607 are frustrated when it has to stop for a few minutes to change drivers in the middle of the route, which is why moving the 607 back to UX is something I agree on with you. Sorry rant over HD requires several night routes to be based there to make space for the day routes (140 182 186 X140). As the N5 will transfer to RATP soon, this can only continue if another night route moves to HD, or perhaps the rest of the N98 allocation (currently part AC). Moving a route out of HD would instantly relieve the capacity pressure at HD, and the X140 makes the most sense due to the small PVR, as well as not serving the area around HD (the 186 does not pass the garage but is not far away at Locket Road). Several other Metroline garages could run the X140, though all would likely require live changeovers, e.g. G at Yeading or PA at Northolt. If the X140 were to move out of, HD could just operate the 140/N140, 182 and 186. The N98 could possibly return to fully AC. Or move the 186 to EW, the 32 to W, the 168 to HT and the 17 to KC?
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Post by 10121ddo on Jun 28, 2020 23:02:27 GMT
HD requires several night routes to be based there to make space for the day routes (140 182 186 X140). As the N5 will transfer to RATP soon, this can only continue if another night route moves to HD, or perhaps the rest of the N98 allocation (currently part AC). Moving a route out of HD would instantly relieve the capacity pressure at HD, and the X140 makes the most sense due to the small PVR, as well as not serving the area around HD (the 186 does not pass the garage but is not far away at Locket Road). Several other Metroline garages could run the X140, though all would likely require live changeovers, e.g. G at Yeading or PA at Northolt. If the X140 were to move out of, HD could just operate the 140/N140, 182 and 186. The N98 could possibly return to fully AC. Or move the 186 to EW, the 32 to W, the 168 to HT and the 17 to KX? quite the tetris master!
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Post by COBO on Jun 29, 2020 0:01:04 GMT
Do the 222 and 607 stand in the UX or in the forecourt when they terminate at Uxbridge?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2020 0:13:34 GMT
Do the 222 and 607 stand in the UX or in the forecourt when they terminate at Uxbridge? I believe the 607 stands in UX although I could be wrong. I'm under the assumption that only non Metroline routes plus the 222 stand on Bakers Road?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 0:39:36 GMT
Do the 222 and 607 stand in the UX or in the forecourt when they terminate at Uxbridge? I believe the 607 stands in UX although I could be wrong. I'm under the assumption that only non Metroline routes plus the 222 stand on Bakers Road? The 607 stands at UX, the 222 and U9 stand at Bakers Road although some 222s stand inside UX. The 427 and U7 stand at York Road.
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Post by VWH1414 on Jun 29, 2020 8:08:51 GMT
HD requires several night routes to be based there to make space for the day routes (140 182 186 X140). As the N5 will transfer to RATP soon, this can only continue if another night route moves to HD, or perhaps the rest of the N98 allocation (currently part AC). Moving a route out of HD would instantly relieve the capacity pressure at HD, and the X140 makes the most sense due to the small PVR, as well as not serving the area around HD (the 186 does not pass the garage but is not far away at Locket Road). Several other Metroline garages could run the X140, though all would likely require live changeovers, e.g. G at Yeading or PA at Northolt. If the X140 were to move out of, HD could just operate the 140/N140, 182 and 186. The N98 could possibly return to fully AC. Or move the 186 to EW, the 32 to W, the 168 to HT and the 17 to KC? Or perhaps instead of these complex moves (Moving routes can be expensive) just move the remainder of the N98 from AC to HD (Thats 3 out of 5 buses sorted)* and if thats still not enough then maybe just outstation 2 buses at EW for the 186, that could easily work. I'm sure they have a plan for when the N5 leaves anyway. * - Shouldn't really effect AC anyway, they just had a -7 PVR cut on the 52, and theres also been other cuts over the years there that have released space.
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Post by foxhat on Jun 29, 2020 8:21:52 GMT
With many of the 11reg VWs at PA moving to EW/PB, it seems that some 12reg VWs from the W7 are moving to PA to replace them for the 297's allocation. What is the W7 likely to use, once the 4/17/271 are back to full timetable? No VWs have moved from HT to PA
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Post by rif153 on Jun 29, 2020 10:27:38 GMT
I believe the 607 stands in UX although I could be wrong. I'm under the assumption that only non Metroline routes plus the 222 stand on Bakers Road? The 607 stands at UX, the 222 and U9 stand at Bakers Road although some 222s stand inside UX. The 427 and U7 stand at York Road. U5 also stands at York Road.
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Post by jenkinsbuses on Jun 29, 2020 11:36:10 GMT
Do the 222 and 607 stand in the UX or in the forecourt when they terminate at Uxbridge? Usually the 607 stand in UX or at Belmont Road where the last stop is however i don't think there standing in UX atm they have been using the forecourt or Belmont Road i think this might be because of the U2/U3/U4 reduced timetable when i've been passed UX there been a lot of spare TEs in the area where the 607 usually would stand in UX which you can see inside from the bus station Do Feel Free to Correct me if I am wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 12:53:53 GMT
Interesting that EW are choosing to prioritise VWs on the 107 instead of the 240 at the moment, I wonder why this is? Might just be down to type training etc? Also as an aside, the 107 iBus has changed back to 'New Barnet Station' (I recall this was trialled a long while ago) but strangely 'Edgware' remains the same, unlike the 240 which has had the 'Station' suffix for both destinations for a while now.
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Post by northlondonbuses on Jun 29, 2020 14:38:48 GMT
VWs are now back on the W7 so idk where this rumor about the VWs going to PA/PV came from
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Post by barrypotter on Jun 29, 2020 17:23:17 GMT
Two unusual visitors to PB are VPL 630 and TPL 284. From parking position, I don't think they'll be moving out tonight.
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Post by foxhat on Jun 29, 2020 18:11:15 GMT
For storage I suspect ahead of a sale
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Post by richard on Jun 29, 2020 18:27:27 GMT
Two unusual visitors to PB are VPL 630 and TPL 284. From parking position, I don't think they'll be moving out tonight. I'm assuming those were at HZ?
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