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Post by adl on Mar 4, 2021 17:18:49 GMT
Wonder if the reliability of the OMEs have finally better, past few days 2 OMEs have been working the 317.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 4, 2021 18:50:08 GMT
X140 seems to be terminating at Bath Road. But other routes like 278 continue to Heathrow Central. What's the reason for the X140 terminating at Bath Rd? Looking at traintimes.org.uk/map/london-buses/?#X140 they are running through to LHR CBS, must be a problem with iBUS. There was a power failure in the tunnel to the airport.
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Post by redbus on Mar 4, 2021 19:33:19 GMT
Such a load of tripe they are talking, bus companies around the country use remote sign ons, many in “unite unionised” companies such as First in Leeds, Driver from Bramley Depot can sign on in city centre some 6 miles away! Unite need to get a grip, they are needlessly costing their members money and potentially jobs by their quite frankly archaic ideas. You might have thought they’d realised we are in the 21st century, apparently not I think it’s interesting to see how and why Unite have latched onto this. They have clearly managed to obtain a strong grip on some RATP garages. And purport to have same grip in Metroline garages too. The hashtag they have been using #LondonBusStrike is not really accurate as at the most of all RATP subsidiaries go out on strike, under 10% of TfL services are effected. We are not in the 80’s where garages would come out in “sympathy” of other depots. Or refuse to drive in service past a striking garage. Unite appear to be to be behaving recklessly with their members jobs and money. Their leadership have been in the news for very negative and anti Semitic views of late. They are acting as a protest group. The mayor hasn’t said anything on the matter. I think the hidden agenda that Unite have, is to try and achieve a public ownership model. I presume they think if they can disrupt TFL contracts sufficiently, this may happen. I can’t see that happening at all. The political landscape and economic situation is against them. Meanwhile, humble , hard working bus drivers are being hoodwinked into striking, sewing discontent and friction in the workplace. It is a sign of weak management for this to have happened as well, so RATP have some serious lessons to learn. If you can’t afford to give a pay rise that was perhaps expected, then you need to demonstrate and motivate your staff to keep going. That’s when things like staff welfare becomes so important. I would have thought, saying to a driver you don’t need to come to the garage, sign in, wait for a service bus to take you to your routes change over point, and do same in return, would be a good thing. Saves you time and unnecessary exposure to covid. Bearing in mind they may have already travelled in public transport to reach the depot. Metroline’s approach of this being a choice is good. It may not suit everyone, but it’s hard I think to suggest it’s not a safe working practice. The problem as I understand matters is that currently bus drivers sign-on and off at the garage. If there's say 20 minutes travelling time to where they pick up the bus (remote sign-on / off point if you like) then that's 40 minutes travelling time each day. If the bus company is now saying that 40 minutes travelling time isn't going to be paid with remote sign-on and that bus drivers will lose 40 minutes pay per day, I can well understand why they would be against it. If pay remained the same or the driver drove the bus in service for the extra 40 minutes so paid remained the same that I presume would be less of an issue. The other problem I see is that a bus driver might start with a remote sign-on and end back at the garage late at night with no easy way to get home. Correct me if I am wrong here with anything, also not quite sure how zero hours contracts comes into it.
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Post by northlondonbuses on Mar 4, 2021 19:53:32 GMT
Wonder if the reliability of the OMEs have finally better, past few days 2 OMEs have been working the 317. Most of them are good in terms of tracking a few dont track sometimes but OME2671 hasnt even tracked once.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 4, 2021 20:18:15 GMT
Wonder if the reliability of the OMEs have finally better, past few days 2 OMEs have been working the 317. Most of them are good in terms of tracking a few dont track sometimes but OME2671 hasnt even tracked once. Does the 134 have full Electric run out each day or do VMHs still crop up each day?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 4, 2021 21:02:05 GMT
Most of them are good in terms of tracking a few dont track sometimes but OME2671 hasnt even tracked once. Does the 134 have full Electric run out each day or do VMHs still crop up each day? Every night the 134N is operated by Hybrids, while the 43N tends to be fully electric. As I type this two Hybrids have popped up ready for tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 21:28:44 GMT
I think it’s interesting to see how and why Unite have latched onto this. They have clearly managed to obtain a strong grip on some RATP garages. And purport to have same grip in Metroline garages too. The hashtag they have been using #LondonBusStrike is not really accurate as at the most of all RATP subsidiaries go out on strike, under 10% of TfL services are effected. We are not in the 80’s where garages would come out in “sympathy” of other depots. Or refuse to drive in service past a striking garage. Unite appear to be to be behaving recklessly with their members jobs and money. Their leadership have been in the news for very negative and anti Semitic views of late. They are acting as a protest group. The mayor hasn’t said anything on the matter. I think the hidden agenda that Unite have, is to try and achieve a public ownership model. I presume they think if they can disrupt TFL contracts sufficiently, this may happen. I can’t see that happening at all. The political landscape and economic situation is against them. Meanwhile, humble , hard working bus drivers are being hoodwinked into striking, sewing discontent and friction in the workplace. It is a sign of weak management for this to have happened as well, so RATP have some serious lessons to learn. If you can’t afford to give a pay rise that was perhaps expected, then you need to demonstrate and motivate your staff to keep going. That’s when things like staff welfare becomes so important. I would have thought, saying to a driver you don’t need to come to the garage, sign in, wait for a service bus to take you to your routes change over point, and do same in return, would be a good thing. Saves you time and unnecessary exposure to covid. Bearing in mind they may have already travelled in public transport to reach the depot. Metroline’s approach of this being a choice is good. It may not suit everyone, but it’s hard I think to suggest it’s not a safe working practice. The problem as I understand matters is that currently bus drivers sign-on and off at the garage. If there's say 20 minutes travelling time to where they pick up the bus (remote sign-on / off point if you like) then that's 40 minutes travelling time each day. If the bus company is now saying that 40 minutes travelling time isn't going to be paid with remote sign-on and that bus drivers will lose 40 minutes pay per day, I can well understand why they would be against it. If pay remained the same or the driver drove the bus in service for the extra 40 minutes so paid remained the same that I presume would be less of an issue. The other problem I see is that a bus driver might start with a remote sign-on and end back at the garage late at night with no easy way to get home. Correct me if I am wrong here with anything, also not quite sure how zero hours contracts comes into it. For me signing on at a garage and using a company vehicle to travel to a change over point has to be paid. Surely once you sign on you are at work and need to be paid. It’s all quite complicated , I confess to not understanding totally what problem Unite is trying to get at.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 5, 2021 9:04:16 GMT
I think it’s interesting to see how and why Unite have latched onto this. They have clearly managed to obtain a strong grip on some RATP garages. And purport to have same grip in Metroline garages too. The hashtag they have been using #LondonBusStrike is not really accurate as at the most of all RATP subsidiaries go out on strike, under 10% of TfL services are effected. We are not in the 80’s where garages would come out in “sympathy” of other depots. Or refuse to drive in service past a striking garage. Unite appear to be to be behaving recklessly with their members jobs and money. Their leadership have been in the news for very negative and anti Semitic views of late. They are acting as a protest group. The mayor hasn’t said anything on the matter. I think the hidden agenda that Unite have, is to try and achieve a public ownership model. I presume they think if they can disrupt TFL contracts sufficiently, this may happen. I can’t see that happening at all. The political landscape and economic situation is against them. Meanwhile, humble , hard working bus drivers are being hoodwinked into striking, sewing discontent and friction in the workplace. It is a sign of weak management for this to have happened as well, so RATP have some serious lessons to learn. If you can’t afford to give a pay rise that was perhaps expected, then you need to demonstrate and motivate your staff to keep going. That’s when things like staff welfare becomes so important. I would have thought, saying to a driver you don’t need to come to the garage, sign in, wait for a service bus to take you to your routes change over point, and do same in return, would be a good thing. Saves you time and unnecessary exposure to covid. Bearing in mind they may have already travelled in public transport to reach the depot. Metroline’s approach of this being a choice is good. It may not suit everyone, but it’s hard I think to suggest it’s not a safe working practice. The problem as I understand matters is that currently bus drivers sign-on and off at the garage. If there's say 20 minutes travelling time to where they pick up the bus (remote sign-on / off point if you like) then that's 40 minutes travelling time each day. If the bus company is now saying that 40 minutes travelling time isn't going to be paid with remote sign-on and that bus drivers will lose 40 minutes pay per day, I can well understand why they would be against it. If pay remained the same or the driver drove the bus in service for the extra 40 minutes so paid remained the same that I presume would be less of an issue. The other problem I see is that a bus driver might start with a remote sign-on and end back at the garage late at night with no easy way to get home. Correct me if I am wrong here with anything, also not quite sure how zero hours contracts comes into it. It can work in a driver's favour if the remote log in is closer to home than the garage.
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Post by bmck on Mar 6, 2021 10:57:12 GMT
The issue is loss of earnings, pure and simple. The 'zero hours' is a label given by Unite. With remote, drivers would lose their guaranteed 7hr 36m daily pay. Unite say that in effect you could have 5 duties in the week totalling only 30 hours. In practice (so far) the 139 duties are over the minimum due to the long journey time. It would depend on the route involved. As I understand it (please correct me) West drivers at present are not guaranteed 7hr 36m at present but travel drivers are. I agree that for some a better balance can be achieved by remote, the door would be open to an erosion of earnings. Mr. Harris (MD) has however to his credit emphasised that only middle duties by their nature i.e. no light depot journeys would be considered for remote sign-on.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 6, 2021 11:04:41 GMT
I hope the 143 could get these, it's very busy and really needs DDs (& had its 10reg DEs replaced with older 08reg examples). If the 143 can be converted (might just be resident issues preventing these around Squires Lane), this could perhaps incorporate both 143D sections and the 643 for simplification. The C11 could also do with the extra capacity of DELs - can these fit around the routes? Or Metroline could consider keeping the DELs at AH and try to bid for the R routes? Also, is the 324 still likely to convert to the DELs again at some point? It used them for a few days then something must have been realised with the routeing making the longer vehicles unsuitable - unless Metroline are planning to introduce the DELs again after the Elstree extension takes place? If the 324 can't use the longer length, perhaps some newer DEs could be swapped rather than keeping the 58reg for the rest of the contract - e.g. could use the DELs on the 268 in exchange for the 11reg DEs at W. New single deck contract wins will need to be electric. EDIT My point has already been made by other posters. This was bound to happen as I was away from this forum for 3 weeks.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 6, 2021 11:13:06 GMT
Unlikely as the 234's existing DEMs are compliant for another contract. I expect Metroline might use the DELs to bid for the 143, C11, R68 or R70 - or simply to replace some of the older DEs Which ones are these? The YX11s or the LK62s? Surely not the former.... I think ADH45258 was referring to 66-reg DELs currently on route 235 as the spare DELs. I expect it would be current DEs on routes 143 & C11 withdrawn although I would prefer the ex-First ones to be a priority for early withdrawal.
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Post by 10121ddo on Mar 6, 2021 12:19:19 GMT
Which ones are these? The YX11s or the LK62s? Surely not the former.... I think ADH45258 was referring to 66-reg DELs currently on route 235 as the spare DELs. I expect it would be current DEs on routes 143 & C11 withdrawn although I would prefer the ex-First ones to be a priority for early withdrawal. In the 2nd sentence of their post yes. But I was referring to the 1st sentence which referenced the 234. Which uses LK62s and they said they’re still compliant. But I thought that might have included the ex First YX11s too. ADH kindly clarified the 234-allocation in their reply.
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Post by HV64 on Mar 8, 2021 11:03:15 GMT
PB are operating the 317 today mainly with OME’s
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Post by adl on Mar 8, 2021 11:27:03 GMT
PB are operating the 317 today mainly with OME’s It’s been slowly increasing since last week with 2-3. being used last week and today and yesterday the 317 seems to be using mainly OMEs with 1 VMH.
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Post by COBO on Mar 10, 2021 7:42:26 GMT
When is Metroline strike likely to happen?
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