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Metroline
Aug 1, 2021 20:24:50 GMT
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 1, 2021 20:24:50 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). If this is the case, why isn't 292 moving to PB,wouldn't PB be more suited to the route? Another question is the EW transfer permanent for 204? If so that means EW will be electrified for 204, doesn't make sense for it to be placed in EW and 292 moved out for temp basis.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 1, 2021 20:27:13 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). This could postpone the electrification of the new Athlon Road base. Routes 483 & 487 look even easier gains for Abellio & RATP respectively next time.
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Metroline
Aug 1, 2021 20:30:02 GMT
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 1, 2021 20:30:02 GMT
I wonder if the 204 will be staying at EW permanently. Moving the 292 to HD makes sense because then the 292 will take the x140 drivers and the 204 will take the 292s drivers. What will the 204 drivers. If these movements happen: Wouldn't 292 drivers go to HD, don't think it's too far from EW also they'll be able to work on 186 as well? Secondly, If the X140 drivers enjoy the route, Wouldn't they transfer with the route? Thirdly, ON drivers will have to move with their routes regardless otherwise they will have no work until new garage opens so they will fill void so don't think 204 needs covering.
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Post by COBO on Aug 1, 2021 20:33:09 GMT
I wonder if the 204 will be staying at EW permanently. Moving the 292 to HD makes sense because then the 292 will take the x140 drivers and the 204 will take the 292s drivers. What will the 204 drivers. If these movements happen: Wouldn't 292 drivers go to HD, don't think it's too far from EW also they'll be able to work on 186 as well? Secondly, If the X140 drivers enjoy the route, Wouldn't they transfer with the route? Thirdly, ON drivers will have to move with their routes regardless otherwise they will have no work until new garage opens so they will fill void so don't think 204 needs covering. The drivers that move will with move with there routes. But this move will look after those drivers that don’t want to move and don’t want go with the routes. There also possibility that the drivers at those garages don’t want to or can’t move with there routes. These routes movements could help accommodate those drivers who don’t want or can’t move with the routes.
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 1, 2021 20:34:46 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). If this is the case, why isn't 292 moving to PB,wouldn't PB be more suited to the route? Another question is the EW transfer permanent for 204? If so that means EW will be electrified for 204, doesn't make sense for it to be placed in EW and 292 moved out for temp basis. I would have thought that think the 107 to PB is a better option if something needs moving out of EW seeing the 107 goes to Barnet and that PB does already have plenty of space for more work (though it did have staffing issues eariler in the year and I'm not sure that's still the case now which might have taken that to consideration) whereas HD already has space constraints even with the X140 leaving.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 1, 2021 20:38:59 GMT
If this is the case, why isn't 292 moving to PB,wouldn't PB be more suited to the route? HD already do some driver changeovers at Edgware for the 186 anyway so it’s nothing new for those on the 292. Travel time and mileage wise, HD is actually closer to both ends of the 292 than PB is
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 1, 2021 20:45:17 GMT
If these movements happen: Wouldn't 292 drivers go to HD, don't think it's too far from EW also they'll be able to work on 186 as well? Secondly, If the X140 drivers enjoy the route, Wouldn't they transfer with the route? Thirdly, ON drivers will have to move with their routes regardless otherwise they will have no work until new garage opens so they will fill void so don't think 204 needs covering. The drivers that move will with move with there routes. But this move will look after those drivers that don’t want to move and don’t want go with the routes. There also possibility that the drivers at those garages don’t want to or can’t move with there routes. These routes movements could help accommodate those drivers who don’t want or can’t move with the routes. Not sure, maybe less overtime to fit everyone in schedule for the remaining routes, not sure what the staffing situation is at HD, with a PVR of 10, X140 Wouldn't require an extortionate amount of drivers, I understand scheduling and other factors contribute to number of drivers required but surely they'll fit in on other routes, also with it being limited stop, drivers who prefer that would most likely request to move with the route especially as SO isn't far from HD, it wouldn't impact much on their journey to work.
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 1, 2021 21:15:36 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). This could postpone the electrification of the new Athlon Road base. Routes 483 & 487 look even easier gains for Abellio & RATP respectively next time. I did think Abellio were in for the 483, but with the potential move of the H28 to allow for the gain of the 111, plus a potential move of a WS route with decreased capacity at the new Hayes base, it's looking less likely. If they're electrifying the new base for the 204, Metroline could be safe with the 483.
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Metroline
Aug 1, 2021 22:19:08 GMT
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 1, 2021 22:19:08 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). Wonder where the 83 would stand, Alperton (Sainsbury's)? There won't be space at the Sainsburys in addition to the 79/224/245. I expect the 83 will likely turn around at Alperton Station. Or otherwise continue out of service to stand at PV.
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Post by COBO on Aug 1, 2021 22:23:35 GMT
Why couldn’t the 204 be operated be from PV?
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 1, 2021 22:23:43 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). The 292 to HD seems a particularly strange move. The main reason seems to be a replacement for the X140 there - however the X140 has a relatively small PVR, and some drivers may move with the route to RATP. Some drivers could even move to nearby EW garage for the 204. The 107 would seem a bit more ideal if something had to go to HD, being closer to the line of route at Stanmore, though PB would be better placed for either the 107 or 292. HD has also been at full capacity for a while, relying on night routes to fit everything, so might even be preferable to relieve capacity slightly following the X140 loss. Additionally, the 113 PVR cut, plus the 606 loss, would likely create enough space at EW for the 204 without anything moving out. And regarding the 83/483, I wonder if it is worth opening the new garage at Alperton. These routes could instead stay at PV permanently, which is very close to the new site. And for any expansion in the area, there would still be spare capacity at PV, PA, G and WJ. Even if these garages were all full, there is a lot more competition in the area now, since RP and GW have opened.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 1, 2021 22:32:44 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). The 292 to HD seems a particularly strange move. The main reason seems to be a replacement for the X140 there - however the X140 has a relatively small PVR, and some drivers may move with the route to RATP. Some drivers could even move to nearby EW garage for the 204. The 107 would seem a bit more ideal if something had to go to HD, being closer to the line of route at Stanmore, though PB would be better placed for either the 107 or 292. HD has also been at full capacity for a while, relying on night routes to fit everything, so might even be preferable to relieve capacity slightly following the X140 loss. Additionally, the 113 PVR cut, plus the 606 loss, would likely create enough space at EW for the 204 without anything moving out. And regarding the 83/483, I wonder if it is worth opening the new garage at Alperton. These routes could instead stay at PV permanently, which is very close to the new site. And for any expansion in the area, there would still be spare capacity at PV, PA, G and WJ. Even if these garages were all full, there is a lot more competition in the area now, since RP and GW have opened. Don't know how many times it must be mentioned on here to yourself but it's not necessarily about how close a route is to a garage so just because the 107 goes closer to HD than PB, it doesn't mean that it should go to HD. The irony is it was pointed out that the 292's ends are both closer to HD so even if it was all about distance, the 292 would be more ideal to go to HD.
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Metroline
Aug 1, 2021 22:32:55 GMT
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Post by TE920 on Aug 1, 2021 22:32:55 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). The 292 to HD seems a particularly strange move. The main reason seems to be a replacement for the X140 there - however the X140 has a relatively small PVR, and some drivers may move with the route to RATP. Some drivers could even move to nearby EW garage for the 204. The 107 would seem a bit more ideal if something had to go to HD, being closer to the line of route at Stanmore, though PB would be better placed for either the 107 or 292. HD has also been at full capacity for a while, relying on night routes to fit everything, so might even be preferable to relieve capacity slightly following the X140 loss. Additionally, the 113 PVR cut, plus the 606 loss, would likely create enough space at EW for the 204 without anything moving out. Wasn’t sure if it was confirmed as far I heard it was gossip at the minute, within controllers at both HD & EW and all drivers at both ends 😂 107 to PB seemed to make more sense, rather than 292 to HD. Makes sense for 204 to EW with chargers being installed at BT would be ideal for chargers installed at EW. Would like to see WJ keep the 487 and (fantasy) moving the 226 to PV with eventually operating all hydrogen single deckers?
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Post by COBO on Aug 1, 2021 23:03:59 GMT
And that ends the variety of the buses on the 83, 483 and 487. I liked seeing the odd TE on the 83, 483 and 487. Hopefully the odd VWH will go the 487.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 2, 2021 5:47:14 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). The 292 to HD seems a particularly strange move. The main reason seems to be a replacement for the X140 there - however the X140 has a relatively small PVR, and some drivers may move with the route to RATP. Some drivers could even move to nearby EW garage for the 204. The 107 would seem a bit more ideal if something had to go to HD, being closer to the line of route at Stanmore, though PB would be better placed for either the 107 or 292. HD has also been at full capacity for a while, relying on night routes to fit everything, so might even be preferable to relieve capacity slightly following the X140 loss. Additionally, the 113 PVR cut, plus the 606 loss, would likely create enough space at EW for the 204 without anything moving out. And regarding the 83/483, I wonder if it is worth opening the new garage at Alperton. These routes could instead stay at PV permanently, which is very close to the new site. And for any expansion in the area, there would still be spare capacity at PV, PA, G and WJ. Even if these garages were all full, there is a lot more competition in the area now, since RP and GW have opened. The 292 to HD seemed a strange one to me, I would have thought the 107 to PB where it's operated from before and where there will be quite a bit of spare capacity might be a better option? I also wondered whether the new Alperton garage is really needed with so much spare capacity elsewhere although there might be other factors involved.
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