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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 8:12:35 GMT
Hopefully the 307 will be won by Arriva Enfield again should be this year the contract is up for tender. How bad is the route since its been with Metroline? Thanks to the gains of the 191 and 192 I don't believe E has the space for the 307. I think Sullivan could be a dark horse though. Otherwise can't see too much competition for Metroline. They could easily transfer routes like 192 to EC though to make space just like the 258 did making space for the 125 at BT. Plus Sullivan with the 307 would be an absolute joke!! They can hardly maintain any of their buses and would just be a carbon copy of Metroline.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 8:31:10 GMT
I honestly don't think PBs VWHs are going anywhere (And not because I saw YouTubers say so before anyone tries to troll me). With older TEs showing their age and London progressing to zero emission I think PB and EWs TE900s will both be gone this year. WN are already getting rid of their older DWs and replacing them with hybrids. And with various PVR cuts as well on multiple routes it wouldn't be a shock to me. 19 VWHs to depart PB, according to local management. Keeping the TE900s and moving on hybrids makes zero sense to me. You can have your opinion but life would be so much easier if you could just use younger stocks to replace the older ones that are non-retainable.
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Post by COBO on Jan 29, 2022 8:37:23 GMT
19 VWHs to depart PB, according to local management. Keeping the TE900s and moving on hybrids makes zero sense to me. You can have your opinion but life would be so much easier if you could just use younger stocks to replace the older ones that are non-retainable. But what if that younger stock is needed elsewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 8:44:30 GMT
Keeping the TE900s and moving on hybrids makes zero sense to me. You can have your opinion but life would be so much easier if you could just use younger stocks to replace the older ones that are non-retainable. But what if that younger stock is needed elsewhere? Where though? The only other garage they could move to is probably UX as they have older non-retainable stock too.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 8:45:00 GMT
Keeping the TE900s and moving on hybrids makes zero sense to me. You can have your opinion but life would be so much easier if you could just use younger stocks to replace the older ones that are non-retainable. But what if that younger stock is needed elsewhere? Exactly and the 92 seems like a decent place for them or the 186.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 8:47:44 GMT
But what if that younger stock is needed elsewhere? Exactly and the 92 seems like a decent place for them or the 186. The buses both routes have right now are still in good condition. Plus they could get electrics or change operator.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 8:49:43 GMT
19 VWHs to depart PB, according to local management. Keeping the TE900s and moving on hybrids makes zero sense to me. You can have your opinion but life would be so much easier if you could just use younger stocks to replace the older ones that are non-retainable. I find that comment quote insulting when he is a Potters Bar employee so pretty much slating their routes & garage to me is nasty especially right in front of them. Also what’s the issue with the current TE9s. The only person on this forum who has kicked up a fuss about them is you. I agree they are getting old but as someone who regularly uses and sees the 263 you are totally overdramatising it. I imagine these will be replaced if cascades come in, ie perhaps when the 204s contract ends so potentially we could end up with slightly newer TEs (perhaps TE1096-1104 move to the 204, 1073/1095/1423 to PB & 12 reg TEs to the 210 to replace TE992/1573-1575). All speculation on my final statement though. Also the ex First VWs are in a far worse condition than the 58 regs, where all the comments about those? This is coming from someone who uses them on PB routes & W7.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 8:51:22 GMT
Exactly and the 92 seems like a decent place for them or the 186. The buses both routes have right now are still in good condition. Plus they could get electrics or change operator. That was my entire point that you should bid with the existing hybrids & see where that gets you. If the 92/186 are lost then another decision could be made. However they are both up for tender.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 29, 2022 8:54:52 GMT
Hopefully the 307 will be won by Arriva Enfield again should be this year the contract is up for tender. How bad is the route since its been with Metroline? Thanks to the gains of the 191 and 192 I don't believe E has the space for the 307. I think Sullivan could be a dark horse though. Otherwise can't see too much competition for Metroline. I would disagree with the level of competition. The 307 had a whopping five bidders on the previous round where Metroline won it, so it was very hotly contested. Presumably Arriva, Metroline, Sullivan, Go-Ahead and RATP, it’s a weird isolated route where only Arriva have a garage directly on the route, everyone else is really far from it. Given their losses both Arriva and Metroline will probably go to war over it, I’m sure Arriva could easily do a reshuffle to fit it in.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 8:56:35 GMT
Hopefully the 307 will be won by Arriva Enfield again should be this year the contract is up for tender. How bad is the route since its been with Metroline? Well, don't leave us on tenterhooks. How bad has it been? BTW, if many of the comments made about LTs poor manoeuvrability are anything to go by, I would worry about E's current bus of choice coping with standing arrangements at either end of the 307. The 307s performance looks pretty good so wouldn’t agree that it’s as bad as people are making out. bus.data.tfl.gov.uk/boroughreports/routes/performance-route-307.pdf
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 29, 2022 8:59:30 GMT
Well, don't leave us on tenterhooks. How bad has it been? BTW, if many of the comments made about LTs poor manoeuvrability are anything to go by, I would worry about E's current bus of choice coping with standing arrangements at either end of the 307. The 307s performance looks pretty good so wouldn’t agree that it’s as bad as people are making out. bus.data.tfl.gov.uk/boroughreports/routes/performance-route-307.pdfWouldn't be the first time sweeping generalisations have been made concerning Metroline performance.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 29, 2022 9:10:21 GMT
Well, don't leave us on tenterhooks. How bad has it been? BTW, if many of the comments made about LTs poor manoeuvrability are anything to go by, I would worry about E's current bus of choice coping with standing arrangements at either end of the 307. The 307s performance looks pretty good so wouldn’t agree that it’s as bad as people are making out. bus.data.tfl.gov.uk/boroughreports/routes/performance-route-307.pdfBut performance means nothing anymore in tendering. Ten years ago this sort of performance would have almost assured a retention but it is all about price right now. The flood of low value bidding has, IMHO, damaged the market. If Metroline cannot remain competitive then as we have seen with the 125, 295 etc they will lose out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:11:18 GMT
Keeping the TE900s and moving on hybrids makes zero sense to me. You can have your opinion but life would be so much easier if you could just use younger stocks to replace the older ones that are non-retainable. I find that comment quote insulting when he is a Potters Bar employee so pretty much slating their routes & garage to me is nasty especially right in front of them. Also what’s the issue with the current TE9s. The only person on this forum who has kicked up a fuss about them is you. I agree they are getting old but as someone who regularly uses and sees the 263 you are totally overdramatising it. I imagine these will be replaced if cascades come in, ie perhaps when the 204s contract ends so potentially we could end up with slightly newer TEs (perhaps TE1096-1104 move to the 204, 1073/1095/1423 to PB & 12 reg TEs to the 210 to replace TE992/1573-1575). All speculation on my final statement though. Also the ex First VWs are in a far worse condition than the 58 regs, where all the comments about those? This is coming from someone who uses them on PB routes & W7. Yes the ex First VWs are in terrible condition and should go as well, but what difference would using the ex 204s make? They're also non-retainable and some of the TE1000s have been withdrawn as well. I don't like the fact that you got TE900s still running on the same route for well over a decade running into Islington where all other routes have been upgraded. Some have been upgraded more than once with the 263 staying the same. I see no excuse for these buses still running to this day especially now with multiple PVR cuts take place and loads of young stocks becoming available.
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Post by COBO on Jan 29, 2022 9:14:34 GMT
But what if that younger stock is needed elsewhere? Where though? The only other garage they could move to is probably UX as they have older non-retainable stock too. They could be used for new contracts for a cheap bid like the 92, 186 and 297 using existing hybrids. VWs or younger TEs could be used to replace the older stock at UX and PB. They don’t have to be moved to UX.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:15:53 GMT
So the 4 day routes at PA will land up a different garages: 31 at WJ, 90 at AH, 120 at SG and 297 at PV. I wonder whether the same vehicles will be retained in each case or whether any reshuffles of VMH and VWH types will occur. I’m quite intrigued about the 90 moving to AH. It obviously fills a hole there but ignores the fact that G is closer. Remote sign on ? 31 to WJ makes perfect sense and safeguards it for when that shed loses the 226 & 295.
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