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Post by VWH1413 on May 23, 2022 19:02:26 GMT
Were all 6 vehicles permanently damaged beyond repair, or could any of the diesels eventually return to service? They all sadly look like write-offs. I'd say errrr at VW1200 (as VWH1414 reckons is on left ), but even that looks like it took an bad hit. Could depend of much of the front side is intact? As per vjaska , not worth the cost, even for solid performing VWs that would have decent 2nd hand value.
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Post by ServerKing on May 23, 2022 21:06:08 GMT
TfL most be in a crisis the WHDs are off the road who knows when they’ll get back into service and now the Optare MetroDeckers are being taken out of service. Do you think that those OMEs that were burned will be replaced? Well they’ll have to be in some form, that’s what you have insurance for. If it was an OME bus that burst into flames due to a defect then likely either a replacement or refund will need to be made, especially as it’ll be under warranty. But disclaimer I don’t work in the bus industry so who knows what commercial arrangements would have been made. In terms of the other buses lost due to the fire then it’ll be down to the insurance. Think some of these OME's had a late start into service due to gremlins when on the 134. Optare / Switch Mobility build quality is iffy at best, and obviously inferior battery packs in use. I still think Electric is a tried and proven technology, it seems the power pack caught fire whilst charging. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10842785/Bus-explodes-Potters-Bar-bus-garage-engulfed-flames-six-vehicles-damaged-fire.htmlMakes you think if there will be any potential issues in future with opportunity charged buses (either via pantograph or other means in future) especially with passengers on board... I don't know why the hydrogens at PV have been withdrawn when it was electrics of a different manufacturer that were at fault? ;- Will this be like the Chariots of Fire bendy bus incident? Hopefully it can be sorted out soon
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Post by vjaska on May 23, 2022 22:48:03 GMT
Well they’ll have to be in some form, that’s what you have insurance for. If it was an OME bus that burst into flames due to a defect then likely either a replacement or refund will need to be made, especially as it’ll be under warranty. But disclaimer I don’t work in the bus industry so who knows what commercial arrangements would have been made. In terms of the other buses lost due to the fire then it’ll be down to the insurance. I still think Electric is a tried and proven technology, it seems the power pack caught fire whilst charging. The issue I see with that claim is that, unless I'm mistaken, the part of the garage where the OME was parked doesn't have chargers. The Metrocitys charger is inside whilst the chargers for the OME's should be in the front forecourt to my knowledge whereas the OME was parked down the side of the garage at the rear near the bus wash
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May 23, 2022 22:48:37 GMT
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Post by dragonman on May 23, 2022 22:48:37 GMT
Interesting to see that VWH2698 has transferred to PB as it was out on the 134 today.
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Post by barrypotter on May 24, 2022 8:30:06 GMT
Early shift drivers on 231 and 317 are to take their buses from SM. Either report direct or get ferried from OB. The 384 buses overnighting at EW, and if not mentioned elsewhere, HT covering the N134. N134 returning to PB tonight.
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Post by ServerKing on May 24, 2022 12:50:31 GMT
I still think Electric is a tried and proven technology, it seems the power pack caught fire whilst charging. The issue I see with that claim is that, unless I'm mistaken, the part of the garage where the OME was parked doesn't have chargers. The Metrocitys charger is inside whilst the chargers for the OME's should be in the front forecourt to my knowledge whereas the OME was parked down the side of the garage at the rear near the bus wash Either the bus was charged up and ready to go out, or it had been in some sort of bump which can make the batteries vulnerable. Electric battery fires are more intense than combustion engine fires due to the complex chemicals within www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/how-much-fire-risk-are-electric-vehiclesProbably catches more attention than it should due to the government push that Electric is the future (despite dirty electricity from coal or gas fired power stations ) Something about the Optare Metrodecker never convinced me, it always seem to look cheaply built. The wires near the fans at the back, near the blind box, made it look like it was incomplete, not quite a finished product as the BYD/E400. I never liked the toilet-bowl shaped window at the back either
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Post by dlroper on May 25, 2022 6:39:38 GMT
The effect of concentrated gas explosions .............. Look up BLEVE .................
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May 25, 2022 8:38:54 GMT
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Post by barrypotter on May 25, 2022 8:38:54 GMT
I still think Electric is a tried and proven technology, it seems the power pack caught fire whilst charging. The issue I see with that claim is that, unless I'm mistaken, the part of the garage where the OME was parked doesn't have chargers. The Metrocitys charger is inside whilst the chargers for the OME's should be in the front forecourt to my knowledge whereas the OME was parked down the side of the garage at the rear near the bus wash the rear wall behind the wash does have chargers.
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Post by vjaska on May 25, 2022 10:57:04 GMT
The issue I see with that claim is that, unless I'm mistaken, the part of the garage where the OME was parked doesn't have chargers. The Metrocitys charger is inside whilst the chargers for the OME's should be in the front forecourt to my knowledge whereas the OME was parked down the side of the garage at the rear near the bus wash the rear wall behind the wash does have chargers. Ahh interesting, thanks for the correction
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May 25, 2022 11:49:02 GMT
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Post by sam97 on May 25, 2022 11:49:02 GMT
Interesting to see that VWH2698 has transferred to PB as it was out on the 134 today. I believe that’s to cover for the Metrodeckers
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May 25, 2022 19:29:52 GMT
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Post by COBO on May 25, 2022 19:29:52 GMT
Where did the VMHs / VWHs for the 134 come from?
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Post by abellion on May 25, 2022 19:39:02 GMT
Where did the VMHs / VWHs for the 134 come from? You can use the fullhist command on LVF and get a general scope. I've seen 317, W8, 7, 245, 32, 113, 31 and 295 so looks like a mix of PB, PV, EW and WJ
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Post by kmkcheng on May 25, 2022 21:12:37 GMT
Where did the VMHs / VWHs for the 134 come from? You can use the fullhist command on LVF and get a general scope. I've seen 317, W8, 7, 245, 32, 113, 31 and 295 so looks like a mix of PB, PV, EW and WJ I think every Metroline garage provided some sort of loan for PB, not necessarily a VWH or VMH. HD, HT, UX, AH, AC and W also loaned something including VWs and TEs
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Post by i3lu on May 26, 2022 7:40:51 GMT
7 is full WHD now. Some VWHs might return to PB for the 134.
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May 26, 2022 8:18:19 GMT
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Post by rj131 on May 26, 2022 8:18:19 GMT
7 is full WHD now. Some VWHs might return to PB for the 134. For how much longer is the question
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