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Post by COBO on Jun 2, 2022 4:51:26 GMT
I wonder would the N32 be operated from HD or EW or W.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 2, 2022 8:42:02 GMT
Have seen lots more 331 DELs working the H13, I assume this is as they've finally been blinded for it
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Jun 2, 2022 10:50:54 GMT
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Post by dragonman on Jun 2, 2022 10:50:54 GMT
Does anyone else agree with the statement that the ex-first VWs are full of character? Going by what I've experienced on VW1830, I'd stay away from them. Absolutely knackered, inside and out, and struggles on hills. Much rather ride a native ML one on the 81. haha my kind of bus actually! 😁
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Post by redbus on Jun 2, 2022 11:49:22 GMT
I wonder will happen to the spare LTs, VMHs and VWHs from the 4, 16, 31, 168 and 271. I wonder if a route has to moved out of PV or night route will replace the N31 because N31 was providing space for PV. I wonder if the 168's LTs can convert the 139 while VWHs from the 4 and 271 can move onto routes such as the 263/W7 and VMHs om routes like the 81/U4?? I don't think so, as the route test for LTs failed on the 139. The 139 has a real mixture of buses, but never LTs, because they failed the route test.
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Jun 2, 2022 12:22:11 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Jun 2, 2022 12:22:11 GMT
I wonder if the 168's LTs can convert the 139 while VWHs from the 4 and 271 can move onto routes such as the 263/W7 and VMHs om routes like the 81/U4?? I don't think so, as the route test for LTs failed on the 139. The 139 has a real mixture of buses, but never LTs, because they failed the route test. Apparently just space limitations at Golders Green and the West Hampstead stand?
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Post by dragonman on Jun 2, 2022 12:23:43 GMT
I can't believe that they're looking to divert both 113 and 189 away from Marble Arch, rerouting them to White City and Camden Town respectively instead. Means there would be no direct bus link into cebtral London from Edgware & Brent Cross.
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Post by redbus on Jun 2, 2022 14:44:33 GMT
I don't think so, as the route test for LTs failed on the 139. The 139 has a real mixture of buses, but never LTs, because they failed the route test. Apparently just space limitations at Golders Green and the West Hampstead stand? I think it is more than just that from memory, but I don't have the details.
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Jun 2, 2022 15:50:06 GMT
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Post by greg on Jun 2, 2022 15:50:06 GMT
I can't believe that they're looking to divert both 113 and 189 away from Marble Arch, rerouting them to White City and Camden Town respectively instead. Means there would be no direct bus link into cebtral London from Edgware & Brent Cross. I could somewhat say the 189 wouldn't be too bad as it still retains a Camden-Kilburn link although the 31 is miles better in other links, but its a shame that only the day 189 would serve Camden. I dont see a need of an "N189" between the current 189 as surely more used in day than night.
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Jun 2, 2022 17:34:28 GMT
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Post by COBO on Jun 2, 2022 17:34:28 GMT
The spare double deckers could be used to double deck the 95, 487, U1 and U3
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Post by redbus on Jun 2, 2022 18:48:26 GMT
I can't believe that they're looking to divert both 113 and 189 away from Marble Arch, rerouting them to White City and Camden Town respectively instead. Means there would be no direct bus link into cebtral London from Edgware & Brent Cross. I could somewhat say the 189 wouldn't be too bad as it still retains a Camden-Kilburn link although the 31 is miles better in other links, but its a shame that only the day 189 would serve Camden. I dont see a need of an "N189" between the current 189 as surely more used in day than night. And there is the problem, it only retains a link as far as Kilburn, which given demand to go beyond Kilburn, is simply not good enough. If that isn't enough it breaks many links on the 189 to Abbey Road, Lisson Grove, various hospitals, Lords, Baker Street and so on. Don't forget the TfL consultation states 'The changes being consulted on are intended to cause as little disruption to passengers as possible, while making the required savings.' I can't see how the 31/113/189 changes meet that criteria given that similar savings could be made by keeping the 31 and cutting back the 113 and 189.
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Jun 2, 2022 21:26:49 GMT
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Post by greg on Jun 2, 2022 21:26:49 GMT
I could somewhat say the 189 wouldn't be too bad as it still retains a Camden-Kilburn link although the 31 is miles better in other links, but its a shame that only the day 189 would serve Camden. I dont see a need of an "N189" between the current 189 as surely more used in day than night. And there is the problem, it only retains a link as far as Kilburn, which given demand to go beyond Kilburn, is simply not good enough. If that isn't enough it breaks many links on the 189 to Abbey Road, Lisson Grove, various hospitals, Lords, Baker Street and so on. Don't forget the TfL consultation states 'The changes being consulted on are intended to cause as little disruption to passengers as possible, while making the required savings.' I can't see how the 31/113/189 changes meet that criteria given that similar savings could be made by keeping the 31 and cutting back the 113 and 189. I completely agree and hope these particular changes don't occur. The adjustments at best could be that the 113 and 189 are cut back to Baker Street now the 74 will be vacated out of that stand, and the 31 to live on between White City and Camden or at least a cut to NHG to reduce the buses on Holland Park Avenue.
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Jun 2, 2022 22:03:05 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Jun 2, 2022 22:03:05 GMT
The spare double deckers could be used to double deck the 95, 487, U1 and U3 Neither of the routes you mentioned are planned for double decker conversions especially 487 as its just been retained with single deckers which will be new buses.
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Metroline
Jun 2, 2022 22:09:06 GMT
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Post by rj131 on Jun 2, 2022 22:09:06 GMT
The spare double deckers could be used to double deck the 95, 487, U1 and U3 Neither of the routes you mentioned are planned for double decker conversions especially 487 as its just been retained with single deckers which will be new buses. Have the 487’s new buses been confirmed yet? Was awarded tbc and having seen anything else regarding it
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Jun 2, 2022 22:16:14 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Jun 2, 2022 22:16:14 GMT
Neither of the routes you mentioned are planned for double decker conversions especially 487 as its just been retained with single deckers which will be new buses. Have the 487’s new buses been confirmed yet? Was awarded tbc and having seen anything else regarding it Not confirmed yet but most of the TBC awards will likely be new buses and some will probably existing from PVR cuts. 487 will need new buses along with 187 and 384. Whatever new buses 487 gets, it will be 10.2m as its length restricted due to navigating problems in Park Royal preventing longer buses that's why the DELs originally ordered for the route got diverted to UX.
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Jun 2, 2022 22:19:49 GMT
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Post by COBO on Jun 2, 2022 22:19:49 GMT
The spare double deckers could be used to double deck the 95, 487, U1 and U3 Neither of the routes you mentioned are planned for double decker conversions especially 487 as its just been retained with single deckers which will be new buses. But can’t tenders be changed. The 302 in 2010 was awarded with new single deckers and double deckers but was completely converted to double deck using existing VPs and can’t routes be converted midway during their contracts like for the 245 in 2013.
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