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Post by redbus on Jul 12, 2022 15:07:22 GMT
I saw a G2 in Cricklewood Bus Garage and it have 189 blinded on it is that what the 189 going to use when it get rerouted to Camden Town I would have thought that highly unlikely. Firstly the consultation is not complete and whilst Operators have been informed of the proposals early, they are not due to be implemented for another year, so plenty time to organise contract changes and only then would I expect blinds to get changed etc. I also cannot see why LTs could not still be used on the 189 if it were re-routed to Camden Town. There will be plenty of LTs around after the changes, and I can't see any route moving away from LTs without good reason. I also think that all non LTs deckers at W have all routes on the blinds in case they have to be pressed into service on another route, including LT routes, for operational reasons.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2022 17:19:07 GMT
I saw a G2 in Cricklewood Bus Garage and it have 189 blinded on it is that what the 189 going to use when it get rerouted to Camden Town I would have thought that highly unlikely. Firstly the consultation is not complete and whilst Operators have been informed of the proposals early, they are not due to be implemented for another year, so plenty time to organise contract changes and only then would I expect blinds to get changed etc. I also cannot see why LTs could not still be used on the 189 if it were re-routed to Camden Town. There will be plenty of LTs around after the changes, and I can't see any route moving away from LTs without good reason. I also think that all non LTs deckers at W have all routes on the blinds in case they have to be pressed into service on another route, including LT routes, for operational reasons. Exactly this - the majority of garages will have multiple vehicles with most or all routes on the blinds. It’s not even a recent thing - it’s something that has happened for decades
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Post by i3lu on Jul 13, 2022 5:54:48 GMT
I also think that all non LTs deckers at W have all routes on the blinds in case they have to be pressed into service on another route, including LT routes, for operational reasons. Indeed. Also newer sets at W are including 143 and 268 and maybe other SD routes other than 112 and 316 which were already (112 not taking deckers anymore since rerouting). Also SD sets have 32 and 210 extra.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 13, 2022 10:06:01 GMT
Not fully up on the latest Metroline fleet movements, but seems to be a very small number, 7 of BCEs in service, with hybrids seemingly transferred in from PV ... or have I missed something?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 13, 2022 11:50:15 GMT
Not fully up on the latest Metroline fleet movements, but seems to be a very small number, 7 of BCEs in service, with hybrids seemingly transferred in from PV ... or have I missed something? I'm assuming you mean OME, the 43 has a full electric allocation out today. Those early OMEs are notorious for having issues in the heat which may explain why they've vanished in mass.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 13, 2022 11:52:16 GMT
Not fully up on the latest Metroline fleet movements, but seems to be a very small number, 7 of BCEs in service, with hybrids seemingly transferred in from PV ... or have I missed something? I'm assuming you mean OME, the 43 has a full electric allocation out today. Those early OMEs are notorious for having issues in the heat which may explain why they've vanished in mass. Yes, did mean OMEs. Maybe 'Not fully up' was an overestimation of my knowledge! 🤣😂
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 13, 2022 12:06:36 GMT
Not fully up on the latest Metroline fleet movements, but seems to be a very small number, 7 of BCEs in service, with hybrids seemingly transferred in from PV ... or have I missed something? I'm assuming you mean OME, the 43 has a full electric allocation out today. Those early OMEs are notorious for having issues in the heat which may explain why they've vanished in mass. Interesting. I thought research had showed the cold conditions were the toughest for electric buses, which is exasperated by the need for extra AC work (heat) to reduce the vehicles range. In hot climates range tailed off as the AC (cool) needs to do more work ... which when working on full power reduced range by roughly a third. But we don't have AC on buses in the UK.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2022 13:07:08 GMT
I'm assuming you mean OME, the 43 has a full electric allocation out today. Those early OMEs are notorious for having issues in the heat which may explain why they've vanished in mass. Interesting. I thought research had showed the cold conditions were the toughest for electric buses, which is exasperated by the need for extra AC work (heat) to reduce the vehicles range. In hot climates range tailed off as the AC (cool) needs to do more work ... which when working on full power reduced range by roughly a third. But we don't have AC on buses in the UK. It's only really that batch as the ones inherited by RATP from Tower do not have the same issues in comparison
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Post by redbus on Jul 13, 2022 13:42:51 GMT
Interesting. I thought research had showed the cold conditions were the toughest for electric buses, which is exasperated by the need for extra AC work (heat) to reduce the vehicles range. In hot climates range tailed off as the AC (cool) needs to do more work ... which when working on full power reduced range by roughly a third. But we don't have AC on buses in the UK. It's only really that batch as the ones inherited by RATP from Tower do not have the same issues in comparison The batteries need to be kept at around 21c I think for best performance. When it is hot, the batteries need to be cooled and that takes power out of the batteries and reduces range. I am not sure the RATP OMEs from TT are without issues, as every evening hybrids seem to appear on the 23. Particularly now given the frequency cut on the 23, there should be ample OMEs to cover the 23 all day and night if there were no issues, but maybe I am missing something.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 13, 2022 14:09:06 GMT
It's only really that batch as the ones inherited by RATP from Tower do not have the same issues in comparison The batteries need to be kept at around 21c I think for best performance. When it is hot, the batteries need to be cooled and that takes power out of the batteries and reduces range. I am not sure the RATP OMEs from TT are without issues, as every evening hybrids seem to appear on the 23. Particularly now given the frequency cut on the 23, there should be ample OMEs to cover the 23 all day and night if there were no issues, but maybe I am missing something.  It seems to be a common issue that hybrids are being used late evening and overnight on a lot of electric routes. Even now the 69 has recently started using hybrids. Perhaps like we saw with the N65 and N281 contracts TfL are allowing this to avoid unnecessary wear on the electrics. Even the 80 will have a partial hybrid allocation to presumably allow hybrid evening/night workings on the 93/213 and eventually the 154 on weekends, if it ever returns.
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Post by redbus on Jul 13, 2022 15:24:34 GMT
The batteries need to be kept at around 21c I think for best performance. When it is hot, the batteries need to be cooled and that takes power out of the batteries and reduces range. I am not sure the RATP OMEs from TT are without issues, as every evening hybrids seem to appear on the 23. Particularly now given the frequency cut on the 23, there should be ample OMEs to cover the 23 all day and night if there were no issues, but maybe I am missing something. It seems to be a common issue that hybrids are being used late evening and overnight on a lot of electric routes. Even now the 69 has recently started using hybrids. Perhaps like we saw with the N65 and N281 contracts TfL are allowing this to avoid unnecessary wear on the electrics. Even the 80 will have a partial hybrid allocation to presumably allow hybrid evening/night workings on the 93/213 and eventually the 154 on weekends, if it ever returns. It is a common issue, and yes the buses need to be charged at some point. If you charge overnight, I can understand hybrids appearing at night because you need to charge all the electric buses, but other than that something seems wrong. If the buses can't last all day then it seems they are not up to the job that is needed. What happens when all buses are electric and there won't be any hybrids (or diesels) to fall back on? Interestingly the 43 seems to manage solely on electrics.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 13, 2022 16:07:26 GMT
It seems to be a common issue that hybrids are being used late evening and overnight on a lot of electric routes. Even now the 69 has recently started using hybrids. Perhaps like we saw with the N65 and N281 contracts TfL are allowing this to avoid unnecessary wear on the electrics. Even the 80 will have a partial hybrid allocation to presumably allow hybrid evening/night workings on the 93/213 and eventually the 154 on weekends, if it ever returns. It is a common issue, and yes the buses need to be charged at some point. If you charge overnight, I can understand hybrids appearing at night because you need to charge all the electric buses, but other than that something seems wrong. If the buses can't last all day then it seems they are not up to the job that is needed. What happens when all buses are electric and there won't be any hybrids (or diesels) to fall back on? Interestingly the 43 seems to manage solely on electrics. Yes, I am intrigued as to how things will work out when a garage is 90%+ electric.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2022 16:45:57 GMT
The batteries need to be kept at around 21c I think for best performance. When it is hot, the batteries need to be cooled and that takes power out of the batteries and reduces range. I am not sure the RATP OMEs from TT are without issues, as every evening hybrids seem to appear on the 23. Particularly now given the frequency cut on the 23, there should be ample OMEs to cover the 23 all day and night if there were no issues, but maybe I am missing something. It seems to be a common issue that hybrids are being used late evening and overnight on a lot of electric routes. Even now the 69 has recently started using hybrids. Perhaps like we saw with the N65 and N281 contracts TfL are allowing this to avoid unnecessary wear on the electrics. Even the 80 will have a partial hybrid allocation to presumably allow hybrid evening/night workings on the 93/213 and eventually the 154 on weekends, if it ever returns. I think the 69 is a bit different as it has already managed a day and night full allocation of electrics from day one (Except night covers by Q). I think the current situation could be a bus infrastructure issue.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jul 17, 2022 8:36:20 GMT
I know it has been said that LT101-110 are due to/ have been returned to TfL for reallocation, but does anyone know is LT175 also included with this batch? It seemed to disappear from service around the same time as the others, and is in a batch of one. LT101-110 are for route H91 according to Tommy Cooling. Some of these LTs have started receiving AH codes on them as of recent.
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Post by sleckdeck on Jul 17, 2022 8:53:02 GMT
LT101-110 are for route H91 according to Tommy Cooling. Some of these LTs have started receiving AH codes on them as of recent. Are the AH drivers for the H91 only going to be trained to use LT’s rather than conventional as well? It would make sense if the drivers aren’t being TUPEd from V (although I’d expect them to since Brentford isn’t far)
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