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Post by vjaska on Jul 26, 2022 15:41:57 GMT
Noticed the LED destination displays on the 245 WHDs are now using an thicker font for the route number (at least when I saw WHD2726 ,WHD2711, WHD2720 and WHD2709 pass by) on the front and rear. Can't say I like the look of those TBH. That saying WHD2725 still has the usual font weight used for the route number. Will this be the new standard for blinds moving forward, as I am out of the loop? I hope not as I really liked the WHD's displays, think they are better than the ones on ADL vehicles in London
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jul 26, 2022 16:05:30 GMT
I believe I mentioned it before, but the E2 is often used to test buses after maintenance has been done, as it is easier to sub things on and off. Hence why you get the odd hybrid or VW from the 81. iirc it's because it terminates outside the garage. Well the starting and terminating stops are called 'Brentford Bus Garage' so technically it's a garage terminator
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 16:58:27 GMT
Wonder where the E2 would terminate if it went to Abellio or RATP
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 26, 2022 17:12:52 GMT
Wonder where the E2 would terminate if it went to Abellio or RATP County Court
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Post by abellion on Jul 26, 2022 17:14:55 GMT
Wonder where the E2 would terminate if it went to Abellio or RATP The 171 stands in TL so there could be some compromise made. (Or County Court, as said above)
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Jul 26, 2022 17:19:15 GMT
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Post by george on Jul 26, 2022 17:19:15 GMT
Wonder where the E2 would terminate if it went to Abellio or RATP [b According to the tender specs county court is the official terminus for the E2. So commerce road most be an agreement with Tfl and Metroline.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 26, 2022 17:39:53 GMT
Wonder where the E2 would terminate if it went to Abellio or RATP The 171 stands in TL so there could be some compromise made. (Or County Court, as said above) The 171 arrangement goes back to 1994. Most Routes that terminate at garages have an official terminus that is is tendered under. Example 36 is New Cross Sainsbury’s which TFL would probably not pay the extra money for another operator for it to stand there.
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Post by george on Jul 26, 2022 17:43:49 GMT
The 171 stands in TL so there could be some compromise made. (Or County Court, as said above) The 171 arrangement goes back to 1994. Most Routes that terminate at garages have an official terminus that is is tendered under. Example 36 is New Cross Sainsbury’s which TFL would probably not pay the extra money for another operator for it to stand there. Might be reading it wrong so apologies but going by this can we safely assume routes 36 and 23 will almost certainly never be lost.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 26, 2022 17:50:46 GMT
Wonder where the E2 would terminate if it went to Abellio or RATP [b According to the tender specs county hall is the official terminus for the E2. So commerce road most be an agreement with Tfl and Metroline. That’s a long extension to Waterloo 😂
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Post by george on Jul 26, 2022 17:55:29 GMT
[b According to the tender specs county hall is the official terminus for the E2. So commerce road most be an agreement with Tfl and Metroline. That’s a long extension to Waterloo 😂 oh dear haha! yeah been extended replacing the 267 and 211.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 26, 2022 18:55:35 GMT
The 171 arrangement goes back to 1994. Most Routes that terminate at garages have an official terminus that is is tendered under. Example 36 is New Cross Sainsbury’s which TFL would probably not pay the extra money for another operator for it to stand there. Might be reading it wrong so apologies but going by this can we safely assume routes 36 and 23 will almost certainly never be lost. No, but I would say very unlikely. Routes terminating at garages have been lost to another operator in the past and have been either be truncated, diverted or extended to another terminus. 160 261 422 468 are a few examples
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 26, 2022 19:27:46 GMT
The 171 arrangement goes back to 1994. Most Routes that terminate at garages have an official terminus that is is tendered under. Example 36 is New Cross Sainsbury’s which TFL would probably not pay the extra money for another operator for it to stand there. Might be reading it wrong so apologies but going by this can we safely assume routes 36 and 23 will almost certainly never be lost. The 171 is a very special case, the arrangement itself goes back to 1994 although every tender needs to be renegotiated as like every route the 171 can't be spec'd to terminate in the garage of another operator. Stagecoach and Go Ahead just seem to renew the agreement every time the route comes up for tender, and each tender there is always the chance that it could be culled back if Stagecoach can't come to an agreement with the winning operator. It's a lot like if Arriva came to an agreement with Metroline to stand the 41 in HT garage. The 36 at least always has a possibility to be lost, its official stand is New Cross Sainsburys. Although it's not the garage terminus usually that will result in routes staying there for many years, but the convenience that comes with them. Drivers pretty much have no travelling time and duties can always be played around to make sure the most mileage possible gets extracted. But as seen with routes like the 422 those sums can sometimes not work out and TfL for every single garage terminating route will have a backup plan which will have to be acted upon if another operator has the winning bid.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 26, 2022 20:16:38 GMT
Bit of a random question, but which route was the last to be awarded with VWs? The 81 was started in 2019, so those allocated should last until 2024 or 2026 depending on whether it's granted an extension. Yes it appears to have been the last with Metroline VWs, the last route to be awarded with any Gemini 2 diesels was the 191 in May 2020.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 26, 2022 20:23:35 GMT
Might be reading it wrong so apologies but going by this can we safely assume routes 36 and 23 will almost certainly never be lost. The 171 is a very special case, the arrangement itself goes back to 1994 although every tender needs to be renegotiated as like every route the 171 can't be spec'd to terminate in the garage of another operator. Stagecoach and Go Ahead just seem to renew the agreement every time the route comes up for tender, and each tender there is always the chance that it could be culled back if Stagecoach can't come to an agreement with the winning operator. It's a lot like if Arriva came to an agreement with Metroline to stand the 41 in HT garage. The 36 at least always has a possibility to be lost, its official stand is New Cross Sainsburys. Although it's not the garage terminus usually that will result in routes staying there for many years, but the convenience that comes with them. Drivers pretty much have no travelling time and duties can always be played around to make sure the most mileage possible gets extracted. But as seen with routes like the 422 those sums can sometimes not work out and TfL for every single garage terminating route will have a backup plan which will have to be acted upon if another operator has the winning bid. The 36 does have some changeovers at Camberwell Green at stop Sacred Heart School, so some travel time is involved, but yes mostly it is 0 travel time at New Cross.
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Post by VWH1413 on Jul 26, 2022 21:19:39 GMT
Noticed the LED destination displays on the 245 WHDs are now using an thicker font for the route number (at least when I saw WHD2726 ,WHD2711, WHD2720 and WHD2709 pass by) on the front and rear. Can't say I like the look of those TBH. That saying WHD2725 still has the usual font weight used for the route number. Will this be the new standard for blinds moving forward, as I am out of the loop? I hope not as I really liked the WHD's displays, think they are better than the ones on ADL vehicles in London The WHD/OME displays are certainly very nice and an good replacement for paper blinds barring minor alignment issues. More so in comparison to the ADL ones I have seen on the 183 and 184.
I am happy to see newer buses move to electronic displays, but do they have to look that ghastly? I do hope this is just an trial.
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