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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 9, 2022 13:43:35 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. Yes I’ve actually just got off a 90 where I was roasted alive… air circulation could be improved on the top deck. Cooler on other buses I took, even VWs. |
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Post by abellion on Jul 9, 2022 14:12:57 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. The fans are so inconsistent too... in 16-18 degree weather I had a DW journey on the 123 with the fan blasting the entire time, meanwhile I regularly use routes like the 44, 156 and 270 in 25 degree+ heat on overcrowded buses and it is an absolute nightmare. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2022 14:32:40 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2022 14:33:45 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. Yes I’ve actually just got off a 90 where I was roasted alive… air circulation could be improved on the top deck. Cooler on other buses I took, even VWs. The Geminis tend to be the best in this weather, MCV’s do seem to trap heat far too much but of course, nothing beats a particular bus |
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Post by snowman on Jul 9, 2022 15:48:49 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. Where air conditioning is fitted, normal practice is not to have opening windows (they are harder to keep clean, and are heavier). Opening windows are fitted because it is a cheap alternative to proper climate controlled ventilation, and is a reflection of buses being seen as transport for paupers Air conditioning has been fitted to virtually every car, taxi, private hire vehicle and train for last 25 years, but apparently it doesn’t ever get warm enough to justify it on London’s buses. Some other cities like Cardiff do now fit it as standard on their new buses. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2022 16:02:29 GMT
We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. Where air conditioning is fitted, normal practice is not to have opening windows (they are harder to keep clean, and are heavier). Opening windows are fitted because it is a cheap alternative to proper climate controlled ventilation, and is a reflection of buses being seen as transport for paupers Air conditioning has been fitted to virtually every car, taxi, private hire vehicle and train for last 25 years, but apparently it doesn’t ever get warm enough to justify it on London’s buses. Some other cities like Cardiff do now fit it as standard on their new buses. Personally would be a better investment over the charging points, faux wood floor and glass ceiling on the higher spec buses now. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2022 16:20:35 GMT
We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. Where air conditioning is fitted, normal practice is not to have opening windows (they are harder to keep clean, and are heavier). Opening windows are fitted because it is a cheap alternative to proper climate controlled ventilation, and is a reflection of buses being seen as transport for paupers Air conditioning has been fitted to virtually every car, taxi, private hire vehicle and train for last 25 years, but apparently it doesn’t ever get warm enough to justify it on London’s buses. Some other cities like Cardiff do now fit it as standard on their new buses. I'm not sure what this has to do with my post which offered no opinion either way - I was merely pointing out that we don't have air conditioning on buses in the UK and that in order for it to be most effective, windows need to be shut yet this advice has never been explained to people, the majority of which are not aware this needs to happen hence why windows are opened instead. If I've got something wrong, feel free to correct me. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 10, 2022 8:33:43 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. There is one set of buses in London with Air Conditioning, this being the LT but that story writes itself. Its why they weren't fitted with opening windows as they were a full AC system that needed closed windows to work. Obviously since then the AC system on those things proved to be a dud like the rest of the bus and the heat became unbearable. |
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Post by cl54 on Jul 10, 2022 11:47:44 GMT
We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. There is one set of buses in London with Air Conditioning, this being the LT but that story writes itself. Its why they weren't fitted with opening windows as they were a full AC system that needed closed windows to work. Obviously since then the AC system on those things proved to be a dud like the rest of the bus and the heat became unbearable. Sorry but the LTs do not have air conditioning. They have chilled air. A/C would have made them too heavy to use in London. |
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Post by j67 on Jul 10, 2022 18:16:54 GMT
According to a source that works at PV, 297 is going to receive electrics in December. Not sure of the type etc yet.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 10, 2022 18:42:40 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. I was on the 607 earlier having to suffer it wasn't pleasant. I find sitting at the back of an E400MMC is the best way to stay cool on a bus in this weather as I have done on the 207 and 427 in the last few days. |
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Post by cl54 on Jul 11, 2022 6:05:17 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. I was on the 607 earlier having to suffer it wasn't pleasant. I find sitting at the back of an E400MMC is the best way to stay cool on a bus in this weather as I have done on the 207 and 427 in the last few days. The designers of modern buses seem to be more interested in creating upper deck greenhouses than a comfortable passenger environment. Too much glass and no opening windows at the front. |
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Post by cc2005 on Jul 11, 2022 13:25:40 GMT
Have got to say the EvoSetis on the 607 are like being in a sauna no air conditioning very little windows to open, got to the stage where i wait for a 427 maybe longer but better cooling. We don’t have air conditioning on buses in the UK - it’s air cooling that’s used instead which to be most affective needs all windows shut but has never been publicly explained to people. ..and on top of that, we still now have Covid-time stickers saying "please open window" on every window and window stoppers preventing them closing properly... IMO, windows with locks on (like the Citaros have/had, and as seen on LO 378 units) would be one way to address this..keep windows closed and locked and air cooling on. If/when the cooling isn't working in summer, or in the winter when air cooling is off, driver can unlock windows for passengers to use as they wish.. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 11, 2022 20:05:31 GMT
Is VW1288 Voith or ZF?
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Post by B10M on Jul 11, 2022 20:30:27 GMT
Should be ZF, but apparently there are a few hidden Voiths. The best way is to listen and count the number of gears as it accelerates, the Voiths have 4 and ZFs have 6. The Voiths generally sound different when idling and accelerating too. As someone who frequents the 81, I’m fairly familiar with them  On the topic of Voith G2s, it’s worth mentioning that AH recently carried out a large amount of work on the VW1379-88 (Voiths) which has massively increased their reliability. 9/10 are at SG now, the 10th of course being 1387 which is apparently still suffering from exhaust related issues. |
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