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Post by sleckdeck on Jul 29, 2022 16:01:35 GMT
They're losing the 91,168 and the 271 plus if the Central London changes go through, the 4,16 and 31 as well Remember the 263, E2 and E8 are due imminently, and the 237 in December which if retained would total 79 new or existing vehicles required, not to mention other gains that could happen. I'm sure all those buses will be re-homed fairly promptly As much as Metroline could good put a good bid for the 237, I hope AV get their act together and at least win that route using VH’s sourced from the H91 (and can also allocate the 481 spare BCE’s to send more VH’s to Hounslow)
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 29, 2022 16:03:41 GMT
Remember the 263, E2 and E8 are due imminently, and the 237 in December which if retained would total 79 new or existing vehicles required, not to mention other gains that could happen. I'm sure all those buses will be re-homed fairly promptly As much as Metroline could good put a good bid for the 237, I hope AV get their act together and at least win that route using VH’s sourced from the H91 (and can also allocate the 481 spare BCE’s to send more VH’s to Hounslow) In terms of numbers VHs from the H91 add up better to the E8, personally I think that's the route RATP have the best chance of picking up.
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Post by j67 on Jul 29, 2022 20:25:21 GMT
What’s the likelihood that Metroline lose E2? It’s got G and AH at both ends, hopefully it gets retained with VWHs or VMHs. Id say E2 would be a bigger loss than E8 or 237 if it was to happen. If RATP won 237 they could use VHs and Abellio could win E8 with MMCs from GW. Any thoughts???
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 30, 2022 1:33:06 GMT
What’s the likelihood that Metroline lose E2? It’s got G and AH at both ends, hopefully it gets retained with VWHs or VMHs. Id say E2 would be a bigger loss than E8 or 237 if it was to happen. If RATP won 237 they could use VHs and Abellio could win E8 with MMCs from GW. Any thoughts??? Sadly you very rarely get awards these days for any reason other than cost. If RATP submit a cheaper bid and their operating arrangement makes sense (they could very conceivably run the route from AV) then off it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 2:56:18 GMT
On recent tender trends (if there is such a thing) then they’ll be Metroline retains.
However RATP may have tried to refill AV.
Abellio have space at GW.
33.333333333333% chance between those three.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 30, 2022 9:27:39 GMT
What’s the likelihood that Metroline lose E2? It’s got G and AH at both ends, hopefully it gets retained with VWHs or VMHs. Id say E2 would be a bigger loss than E8 or 237 if it was to happen. If RATP won 237 they could use VHs and Abellio could win E8 with MMCs from GW. Any thoughts??? Very likely. There are bus routes that stop by garages or pass garages that ended up being lost
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2022 10:39:47 GMT
What’s the likelihood that Metroline lose E2? It’s got G and AH at both ends, hopefully it gets retained with VWHs or VMHs. Id say E2 would be a bigger loss than E8 or 237 if it was to happen. If RATP won 237 they could use VHs and Abellio could win E8 with MMCs from GW. Any thoughts??? Very likely. There are bus routes that stop by garages or pass garages that ended up being lost Not sure how anyone can definitely say it’s very likely it will be lost. As @rob mentioned, it’s a 33.3% chance between three operators
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 30, 2022 10:54:43 GMT
Very likely. There are bus routes that stop by garages or pass garages that ended up being lost Not sure how anyone can definitely say it’s very likely it will be lost. As @rob mentioned, it’s a 33.3% chance between three operators Being pedantic, it’s only 33.3% chance if they all put in identical bids. If they risk a cheaper or expensive bid, that increases or decreases their chances respectively. Plus also if TfL decides if past or current performances will be taken into account
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 30, 2022 10:55:29 GMT
Very likely. There are bus routes that stop by garages or pass garages that ended up being lost Not sure how anyone can definitely say it’s very likely it will be lost. As @rob mentioned, it’s a 33.3% chance between three operators Maybe he meant more likely than not?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2022 8:02:41 GMT
Wasn't sure, it might be ZF, with such an engine note it is hard to tell. 1288 is now at PB, still with HD codes. I remember some VWs moved to HD from AH a while ago, I guess it replaces the one destroyed in that fire. VW1297-1306/1378-1388 I believe are the only Voith ones Metroline have - The rest are all ZF IIRC. VW1287-1288 moved to PB from HD a couple weeks ago, and today seem to have just been joined by VW1272 & 1281., meanwhile back in March during the first set of VWs moving out of HD saw VW1273/1277/1279-1280/1283 move over to PV. The full reasoning for VW1272/1281/1287-1288 being at PB seems a bit unclear currently, but will probably be apparent soon. Today VWH2050 has just gone from its second loan spell at PB, in the past few months, over to HD. This leaves VWH2044-2045/2047/2056-2058 to join - However I reckon at least 1-2 VWs will stay at HD in the meantime (Obviously excluding the 292 batch which will stay) as refurb floats, with VW1266/1282/1284-1286/1372/1405-1406 left now of the 186 set, and VW1832 still also at HD. I hope the VWs are retained, to replace earlier TEs and ex-First VNs, or maybe to double-deck a DE route.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2022 8:10:41 GMT
Might be reading it wrong so apologies but going by this can we safely assume routes 36 and 23 will almost certainly never be lost. The 171 is a very special case, the arrangement itself goes back to 1994 although every tender needs to be renegotiated as like every route the 171 can't be spec'd to terminate in the garage of another operator. Stagecoach and Go Ahead just seem to renew the agreement every time the route comes up for tender, and each tender there is always the chance that it could be culled back if Stagecoach can't come to an agreement with the winning operator. It's a lot like if Arriva came to an agreement with Metroline to stand the 41 in HT garage. The 36 at least always has a possibility to be lost, its official stand is New Cross Sainsburys. Although it's not the garage terminus usually that will result in routes staying there for many years, but the convenience that comes with them. Drivers pretty much have no travelling time and duties can always be played around to make sure the most mileage possible gets extracted. But as seen with routes like the 422 those sums can sometimes not work out and TfL for every single garage terminating route will have a backup plan which will have to be acted upon if another operator has the winning bid. What makes route 41 a significant case in point is that MTL had gained operation of route 41 when they purchased Gemsam, but then dumped it, with it being reassigned to Arriva. So it is probably a special arrangement which Metroline inherited and have maintained ever since.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2022 8:14:54 GMT
On recent tender trends (if there is such a thing) then they’ll be Metroline retains. However RATP may have tried to refill AV. Abellio have space at GW. 33.333333333333% chance between those three. That's still a 0.0000000000001 chance of a 4th operator bidding and winning it.
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Post by COBO on Jul 31, 2022 23:55:07 GMT
Why do the 112 DELs sound different from the earlier models like DE869-1174 and 1583-1899?
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 1, 2022 9:53:11 GMT
Why do the 112 DELs sound different from the earlier models like DE869-1174 and 1583-1899? On paper, they are 316's and the MMCs 112's
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Aug 1, 2022 10:43:17 GMT
Why do the 112 DELs sound different from the earlier models like DE869-1174 and 1583-1899? On paper, they are 316's and the MMCs 112's No they were ordered against the 112 contract and continue to operate on it, the 316 is a DE route.
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