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Post by surab21 on Oct 15, 2022 19:34:08 GMT
Obviously this is speculation, but if true would mean the 113 is diverted to White City. Can't imagine that in reality... it will become a mega route just like the new route 1! Sorry might have misled. They aren't necessarily removed from the tender program. They have been moved to separate tranches with an A suffix after them and these tranches may not be tendered. The 381 is in another one and the 108 and 321 in another aswell. Oh I see, makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
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Oct 16, 2022 6:19:18 GMT
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Post by COBO on Oct 16, 2022 6:19:18 GMT
I wonder if the 263 will be moved to HT to replace the 271 and as it gets its electrics.
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Oct 16, 2022 6:43:14 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 16, 2022 6:43:14 GMT
Will the 31’s contract be given to another route or will it be terminated when the 31 is terminated? It has not be confirmed yet but if it does get the chop it will probably be terminated. It would not be terminated, if the 31/113/189 changes go ahead as proposed, the 189 will take over the 31 contract with the 189s current expiring on 6th October 2023 and will be rolled on from the following day which is the 7th.
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Oct 16, 2022 6:45:30 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 16, 2022 6:45:30 GMT
In the middle of its contract? It can be terminated at the 3 year point which the 31 has passed now. The 32 and 189 are removed from the tender program so will probably move onto one of those routes. If the changes were to go ahead as proposed, the 189 would take over the 31 contract and the 32 would take over the 4 contract.
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Post by j67 on Oct 16, 2022 9:33:36 GMT
Are the buses being ordered for 83,187,297,487,E2,E8 going to be the new London spec like on 63 or just standard Tfl with chargers?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 16, 2022 9:50:13 GMT
I wonder if the 263 will be moved to HT to replace the 271 and as it gets its electrics. As HT is due to lose routes 4, 91, 168 & 271 something may well move in. Route 263 could be an example. Admittedly PB already has electric kit and, having lost other work in recent years, may be better suited to keep route 263. Routes 31, 143 & C11 could be other candidates to move back into HT.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 16, 2022 10:33:03 GMT
I wonder if the 263 will be moved to HT to replace the 271 and as it gets its electrics. As HT is due to lose routes 4, 91, 168 & 271 something may well move in. Route 263 could be an example. Admittedly PB already has electric kit and, having lost other work in recent years, may be better suited to keep route 263. Routes 31, 143 & C11 could be other candidates to move back into HT. The 210 would be a good option to move to HT too, or could even mothball KC? Though I could also see HT win some new routes to fill that space, such as the W3 (or looking further down the tender programme, maybe the 19 or 259?) As you say, I'm not sure the 263 will move, with a lot of spare capacity at PB too, following various losses including the 34/125/307. However, it seems likely that the 263 could take on the 271 contract, so might depend on where drivers are available? The N271 would likely be part of this contract too, but could easily remain separate at HT.
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Oct 16, 2022 10:40:20 GMT
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 16, 2022 10:40:20 GMT
Are the buses being ordered for 83,187,297,487,E2,E8 going to be the new London spec like on 63 or just standard Tfl with chargers? Will be interesting to see if this higher spec is standard now for all new orders, or if it's still the operator's choice. Seems to be standard at Abellio, while Go Ahead and RATP's first batches with high spec interiors will be introduced soon on the 119/264 and 295. The interiors on the new electrics for the 142, 307, 339 and W5 will likely prove whether the remaining operators follow. The 204's BDEs are not high spec, but I think were ordered a while ago?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 16, 2022 12:38:21 GMT
As HT is due to lose routes 4, 91, 168 & 271 something may well move in. Route 263 could be an example. Admittedly PB already has electric kit and, having lost other work in recent years, may be better suited to keep route 263. Routes 31, 143 & C11 could be other candidates to move back into HT. The 210 would be a good option to move to HT too, or could even mothball KC? Though I could also see HT win some new routes to fill that space, such as the W3 (or looking further down the tender programme, maybe the 19 or 259?) As you say, I'm not sure the 263 will move, with a lot of spare capacity at PB too, following various losses including the 34/125/307. However, it seems likely that the 263 could take on the 271 contract, so might depend on where drivers are available? The N271 would likely be part of this contract too, but could easily remain separate at HT. I admit I forgot about route 210. It might be a more suitable return to HT than routes 143 or C11 for being in the middle of the route. I had rather liked the idea of a medium-term win of route 210 by Arriva at WN. However, after they almost certainly did not even bid for route 232 I doubt they would bid for route 210. Route 263 seems to be like routes 11, 78 & 349 for having undisclosed short-term extensions to factor in wider route changes, even though in this case it is not facing withdrawal.
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Post by COBO on Oct 16, 2022 14:52:39 GMT
I wonder if the 263 will be moved to HT to replace the 271 and as it gets its electrics. As HT is due to lose routes 4, 91, 168 & 271 something may well move in. Route 263 could be an example. Admittedly PB already has electric kit and, having lost other work in recent years, may be better suited to keep route 263. Routes 31, 143 & C11 could be other candidates to move back into HT. With the 31 likely to be withdrawn maybe not.
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Post by transportizm on Oct 16, 2022 16:13:37 GMT
As HT is due to lose routes 4, 91, 168 & 271 something may well move in. Route 263 could be an example. Admittedly PB already has electric kit and, having lost other work in recent years, may be better suited to keep route 263. Routes 31, 143 & C11 could be other candidates to move back into HT. With the 31 likely to be withdrawn maybe not. A lot of garage changes will depend on the cuts that will be eventually be announced by TfL.
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Oct 16, 2022 18:41:04 GMT
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Post by dragonman on Oct 16, 2022 18:41:04 GMT
With the 31 likely to be withdrawn maybe not. A lot of garage changes will depend on the cuts that will be eventually be announced by TfL. would've loved the 31 to go to HT if it wasn't facing the possibility of the chop, i think that route would be very well suited to that garage.
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Oct 16, 2022 19:18:15 GMT
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Post by COBO on Oct 16, 2022 19:18:15 GMT
If the 189 gets rerouted to to Camden Town then the 189 could go to HT to fill it back up.
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Oct 16, 2022 20:33:24 GMT
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Post by dragonman on Oct 16, 2022 20:33:24 GMT
If the 189 gets rerouted to to Camden Town then the 189 could go to HT to fill it back up. i wonder if it'll continue to use new routemasters, if not the new routemasters that are allocated to it currently could be used to possibly convert the 32 if that transfers back to W.
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Oct 16, 2022 20:47:44 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 16, 2022 20:47:44 GMT
If the 189 gets rerouted to to Camden Town then the 189 could go to HT to fill it back up. i wonder if it'll continue to use new routemasters, if not the new routemasters that are allocated to it currently could be used to possibly convert the 32 if that transfers back to W. I could easily see the 32 convert to use the ones off the 16 for another contract.
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