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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 5, 2019 21:53:36 GMT
Just a thought but the 52 is having an decrease in frequency and the electrics were extras rather than within the PVR of the 98 so could the extra buses from the 52 be used along with the VWHs missing currently at HT be used to form the 460s new contract? It is becoming quite clear by the 08/58 reg withdrawals at PB that the VWHs at PB will not be transferring and the VWHs spare from the 43 would be needed for the 271s new contract. Those VWHs will on paper go back to their intended route (The 302), which actually had some of its G3 VWHs robbed back in 2017/2018 when they traded the 62 regs on the 52 with fresh 67 regs meant for the 302. Of course allocations are fluid anyway (As it is basically all one type), so anything will likely appear anyway. The allocations when all loans etc happen will be something like this: 6 - VWH2306-2331 52 - VWH2332-2344/2364-2371 98 - VWH2372-2398 260 - VWH2399-2418 302 - VWH2419-2432 (Still 4 off full TVR) So VWH2306-2310 will not be available for the 460 either. What I see happening is either the 62 regs remaining (Which I can't see why they can't) or the 7s VWHs transferring when the hydrogens enter service, with the 62 regs remaining for now. Although they could be used for a bid for the 28 which would slot nicely into the little gap cuts over the years have created. Of course 65 reg VWH2141 is floating around at PB, which could be used somewhere in all of this. I think the 28 going to Metroline is a good idea and I think it sort of fits in well with the fact that the 31 is there already The 7s VWHs I was presuming would go to the 139 with vehicles from the 140 & 295 cuts. I think it seems rather normal particularly as it has a part allocation of 65 reg frogfaces in London United
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Post by COBO on Dec 5, 2019 22:08:16 GMT
Those VWHs will on paper go back to their intended route (The 302), which actually had some of its G3 VWHs robbed back in 2017/2018 when they traded the 62 regs on the 52 with fresh 67 regs meant for the 302. Of course allocations are fluid anyway (As it is basically all one type), so anything will likely appear anyway. The allocations when all loans etc happen will be something like this: 6 - VWH2306-2331 52 - VWH2332-2344/2364-2371 98 - VWH2372-2398 260 - VWH2399-2418 302 - VWH2419-2432 (Still 4 off full TVR) So VWH2306-2310 will not be available for the 460 either. What I see happening is either the 62 regs remaining (Which I can't see why they can't) or the 7s VWHs transferring when the hydrogens enter service, with the 62 regs remaining for now. Although they could be used for a bid for the 28 which would slot nicely into the little gap cuts over the years have created. Of course 65 reg VWH2141 is floating around at PB, which could be used somewhere in all of this. I think the 28 going to Metroline is a good idea and I think it sort of fits in well with the fact that the 31 is there already The 7s VWHs I was presuming would go to the 139 with vehicles from the 140 & 295 cuts. I think it seems rather normal particularly as it has a part allocation of 65 reg frogfaces in London United The VWHs cut from the 140 will be staying at HD for the X140.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 5, 2019 22:12:40 GMT
Those VWHs will on paper go back to their intended route (The 302), which actually had some of its G3 VWHs robbed back in 2017/2018 when they traded the 62 regs on the 52 with fresh 67 regs meant for the 302. Of course allocations are fluid anyway (As it is basically all one type), so anything will likely appear anyway. The allocations when all loans etc happen will be something like this: 6 - VWH2306-2331 52 - VWH2332-2344/2364-2371 98 - VWH2372-2398 260 - VWH2399-2418 302 - VWH2419-2432 (Still 4 off full TVR) So VWH2306-2310 will not be available for the 460 either. What I see happening is either the 62 regs remaining (Which I can't see why they can't) or the 7s VWHs transferring when the hydrogens enter service, with the 62 regs remaining for now. Although they could be used for a bid for the 28 which would slot nicely into the little gap cuts over the years have created. Of course 65 reg VWH2141 is floating around at PB, which could be used somewhere in all of this. I think the 28 going to Metroline is a good idea and I think it sort of fits in well with the fact that the 31 is there already The 7s VWHs I was presuming would go to the 139 with vehicles from the 140 & 295 cuts. I think it seems rather normal particularly as it has a part allocation of 65 reg frogfaces in London United I'm still not convinced those VWHs will go to the 139. There will also only be a single VWH made free at HD from the cut, which only releases 2 vehicles (VP614 will likely be withdrawn). The VWHs from the 7 will also probably not be available in time for the 139 contract change. With the 28, it could slot in perfectly. The max AC has ever held is 120, currently it is at 112, and with the -7 cut from the 52, it will be down to 105, meaning a gap of 15 will be available. The 28 has a TVR of 20, with the N28 having a PVR of 5, meaning that it can slot perfectly in, with the 7s VWHs being a perfect amount of vehicles for the route - also fitting in with ACs current allocation of VWHs. Will also bring Metroline into Wandsworth for the first time (One of the predecessors Armchair had the 485 from AH, but that was a while before Metroline bought them). It'll also give them a venture into Kensington, whilst also fitting in well with Metroline territory at Kensal Rise, imo it is a nice little fit if they were to win it.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 5, 2019 22:13:49 GMT
Those VWHs will on paper go back to their intended route (The 302), which actually had some of its G3 VWHs robbed back in 2017/2018 when they traded the 62 regs on the 52 with fresh 67 regs meant for the 302. Of course allocations are fluid anyway (As it is basically all one type), so anything will likely appear anyway. The allocations when all loans etc happen will be something like this: 6 - VWH2306-2331 52 - VWH2332-2344/2364-2371 98 - VWH2372-2398 260 - VWH2399-2418 302 - VWH2419-2432 (Still 4 off full TVR) So VWH2306-2310 will not be available for the 460 either. What I see happening is either the 62 regs remaining (Which I can't see why they can't) or the 7s VWHs transferring when the hydrogens enter service, with the 62 regs remaining for now. Although they could be used for a bid for the 28 which would slot nicely into the little gap cuts over the years have created. Of course 65 reg VWH2141 is floating around at PB, which could be used somewhere in all of this. I see. We may see the 62-reg VWHs join the 460s contract then with 4 for the 302. By my calculation there are still 2 excess G2 VWHs from that so there will certainly be enough. I reckon even those 2 will stay if this becomes the case (Which is most likely at the moment), Metroline garages tend to build a small pool of spares, a bit like AC currently has with the extra ex First VWs, and EW has with the extra TEs.
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Post by Hassaan on Dec 5, 2019 22:16:47 GMT
I think the 28 going to Metroline is a good idea and I think it sort of fits in well with the fact that the 31 is there already The 7s VWHs I was presuming would go to the 139 with vehicles from the 140 & 295 cuts. I think it seems rather normal particularly as it has a part allocation of 65 reg frogfaces in London United I'm still not convinced those VWHs will go to the 139. There will also only be a single VWH made free at HD from the cut, which only releases 2 vehicles (VP614 will likely be withdrawn). The VWHs from the 7 will also probably not be available in time for the 139 contract change. With the 28, it could slot in perfectly. The max AC has ever held is 120, currently it is at 112, and with the -7 cut from the 52, it will be down to 105, meaning a gap of 15 will be available. The 28 has a TVR of 20, with the N28 having a PVR of 5, meaning that it can slot perfectly in, with the 7s VWHs being a perfect amount of vehicles for the route - also fitting in with ACs current allocation of VWHs. Will also bring Metroline into Wandsworth for the first time (One of the predecessors Armchair had the 485 from AH, but that was a while before Metroline bought them). It'll also give them a venture into Kensington, whilst also fitting in well with Metroline territory at Kensal Rise, imo it is a nice little fit if they were to win it. Metroline already just about manage to enter Wandsworth with the 295, as that uses Wandsworth Bridge and the big roundabout by Wandsworth Town Station (although then turns east towards Clapham Junction so doesn't get to the town centre at Wandsworth )
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Post by COBO on Dec 5, 2019 22:22:27 GMT
Imagine if Metroline also took the 328 and operated it from W or EW.
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 5, 2019 22:34:25 GMT
I think the 28 going to Metroline is a good idea and I think it sort of fits in well with the fact that the 31 is there already The 7s VWHs I was presuming would go to the 139 with vehicles from the 140 & 295 cuts. I think it seems rather normal particularly as it has a part allocation of 65 reg frogfaces in London United I'm still not convinced those VWHs will go to the 139. There will also only be a single VWH made free at HD from the cut, which only releases 2 vehicles (VP614 will likely be withdrawn). The VWHs from the 7 will also probably not be available in time for the 139 contract change. With the 28, it could slot in perfectly. The max AC has ever held is 120, currently it is at 112, and with the -7 cut from the 52, it will be down to 105, meaning a gap of 15 will be available. The 28 has a TVR of 20, with the N28 having a PVR of 5, meaning that it can slot perfectly in, with the 7s VWHs being a perfect amount of vehicles for the route - also fitting in with ACs current allocation of VWHs. Will also bring Metroline into Wandsworth for the first time (One of the predecessors Armchair had the 485 from AH, but that was a while before Metroline bought them). It'll also give them a venture into Kensington, whilst also fitting in well with Metroline territory at Kensal Rise, imo it is a nice little fit if they were to win it. It would certainly be a momentous event if X lost the 28, been there nearly 40 years! (Except when it got forced out to AS but that’s not its fault)
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Post by george on Dec 5, 2019 22:39:23 GMT
I'm still not convinced those VWHs will go to the 139. There will also only be a single VWH made free at HD from the cut, which only releases 2 vehicles (VP614 will likely be withdrawn). The VWHs from the 7 will also probably not be available in time for the 139 contract change. With the 28, it could slot in perfectly. The max AC has ever held is 120, currently it is at 112, and with the -7 cut from the 52, it will be down to 105, meaning a gap of 15 will be available. The 28 has a TVR of 20, with the N28 having a PVR of 5, meaning that it can slot perfectly in, with the 7s VWHs being a perfect amount of vehicles for the route - also fitting in with ACs current allocation of VWHs. Will also bring Metroline into Wandsworth for the first time (One of the predecessors Armchair had the 485 from AH, but that was a while before Metroline bought them). It'll also give them a venture into Kensington, whilst also fitting in well with Metroline territory at Kensal Rise, imo it is a nice little fit if they were to win it. It would certainly be a momentous event if X lost the 28, been there nearly 40 years! (Except when it got forced out to AS but that’s not its fault) I believe the DNHs are going back to the leaser but otherwise think they would have been great to use for a retain bid by TT.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 5, 2019 22:50:03 GMT
Timetable for Route X140 can be found here. Journey times range from 47 mins in the peaks to 37 mins during late nights/early mornings.
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 5, 2019 22:55:45 GMT
It would certainly be a momentous event if X lost the 28, been there nearly 40 years! (Except when it got forced out to AS but that’s not its fault) I believe the DNHs are going back to the leaser but otherwise think they would have been great to use for a retain bid by TT. Would certainly be very odd to see DNHs and DNs on the 28 with it being Wrightbus operates for over 15 years
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Post by george on Dec 5, 2019 23:02:36 GMT
I believe the DNHs are going back to the leaser but otherwise think they would have been great to use for a retain bid by TT. Would certainly be very odd to see DNHs and DNs on the 28 with it being Wrightbus operates for over 15 years Yes only time it ever really sees DNHs is during the Notting Hill Carnival/
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Post by vjaska on Dec 5, 2019 23:03:02 GMT
Just a thought but the 52 is having an decrease in frequency and the electrics were extras rather than within the PVR of the 98 so could the extra buses from the 52 be used along with the VWHs missing currently at HT be used to form the 460s new contract? It is becoming quite clear by the 08/58 reg withdrawals at PB that the VWHs at PB will not be transferring and the VWHs spare from the 43 would be needed for the 271s new contract. I came to that exact same conclusion last month - definitely think it’s more likely than sending ones from HT over.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 5, 2019 23:22:33 GMT
It would certainly be a momentous event if X lost the 28, been there nearly 40 years! (Except when it got forced out to AS but that’s not its fault) I believe the DNHs are going back to the leaser but otherwise think they would have been great to use for a retain bid by TT. If this is the case, I imagine another London operator would then purchase the DNHs
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 5, 2019 23:23:39 GMT
Imagine if Metroline also took the 328 and operated it from W or EW. Probably would be W, don't think Metroline would bid for the 328 from EW. Only other possible garage would be WJ (the 328 previously ran from nearby AS).
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 5, 2019 23:29:11 GMT
Just a thought but the 52 is having an decrease in frequency and the electrics were extras rather than within the PVR of the 98 so could the extra buses from the 52 be used along with the VWHs missing currently at HT be used to form the 460s new contract? It is becoming quite clear by the 08/58 reg withdrawals at PB that the VWHs at PB will not be transferring and the VWHs spare from the 43 would be needed for the 271s new contract. Those VWHs will on paper go back to their intended route (The 302), which actually had some of its G3 VWHs robbed back in 2017/2018 when they traded the 62 regs on the 52 with fresh 67 regs meant for the 302. Of course allocations are fluid anyway (As it is basically all one type), so anything will likely appear anyway. The allocations when all loans etc happen will be something like this: 6 - VWH2306-2331 52 - VWH2332-2344/2364-2371 98 - VWH2372-2398 260 - VWH2399-2418 302 - VWH2419-2432 (Still 4 off full TVR) So VWH2306-2310 will not be available for the 460 either. What I see happening is either the 62 regs remaining (Which I can't see why they can't) or the 7s VWHs transferring when the hydrogens enter service, with the 62 regs remaining for now. Although they could be used for a bid for the 28 which would slot nicely into the little gap cuts over the years have created. Of course 65 reg VWH2141 is floating around at PB, which could be used somewhere in all of this. I think at one point, AC had enough VWHs for all routes (including the G2 examples), with HT and PA each taking some as long-term loans. Those at HT should be able to transfer back to AC now (since the 43 is now fully BDE), while those at PA should be released once the remaining VMHs have transferred for the 90. And additional VWHs will also be available from the 52's PVR cut. Regarding the 7's VWHs, it is possible that these may provide most of the 139's new allocation.
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