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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2019 8:58:05 GMT
It’s been withdrawn. 562 & 565 are the only two left in service. One of them was photographed at a go north east depot a few weeks ago Does that leave the 358 at risk of cancellations, or might we see a WS make an appearance? Why didn't Go Ahead order an additional 2-3 WSs with the 227 order, rather than keeping a few older and non-standard vehicles in service?
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 21, 2019 8:59:18 GMT
Any idea what's happened to 561? It's not been in service since June 24th and its MOT has expired, hope it hasn't been withdrawn It’s been withdrawn. 562 & 565 are the only two left in service. One of them was photographed at a go north east depot a few weeks ago Just found out from a reliable source that 561 has not been withdrawn, it’s currently away at NX undergoing an FFD and a having a new floor fitted.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 21, 2019 9:24:02 GMT
Does that leave the 358 at risk of cancellations, or might we see a WS make an appearance? Why didn't Go Ahead order an additional 2-3 WSs with the 227 order, rather than keeping a few older and non-standard vehicles in service? We've been through this before. The 358 is nearing the end of its contract. There is no point in buying brand-new buses that could be redundant in a year's time. If the contract is retained, that is the time to order three new vehicles. Besides, I thought bus enthusiasts weren't supposed to like Streetlites?
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Jul 21, 2019 9:54:53 GMT
It’s been withdrawn. 562 & 565 are the only two left in service. One of them was photographed at a go north east depot a few weeks ago Does that leave the 358 at risk of cancellations, or might we see a WS make an appearance? No risk of cancellations as their should be enough spares. We have already seen a WS appear on the 358
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Jul 21, 2019 9:57:05 GMT
Does that leave the 358 at risk of cancellations, or might we see a WS make an appearance? Why didn't Go Ahead order an additional 2-3 WSs with the 227 order, rather than keeping a few older and non-standard vehicles in service? 1/2 non standard vehicles at the end of a contract doesn’t really matter a lot. As said, there’s no point wasting money on new buses, Incase it is lost. If retained, it will be a shame because it is pretty much definite that the scanias will be replaced with WS’s. I do hope it is retained though, as I would have to see another route lose mercs
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Post by tbmlondon on Jul 21, 2019 10:15:43 GMT
Why didn't Go Ahead order an additional 2-3 WSs with the 227 order, rather than keeping a few older and non-standard vehicles in service? 1/2 non standard vehicles at the end of a contract doesn’t really matter a lot. As said, there’s no point wasting money on new buses, Incase it is lost. If retained, it will be a shame because it is pretty much definite that the scanias will be replaced with WS’s. I do hope it is retained though, as I would have to see another route lose mercs I thought only electric single deckers could be ordered from 2020 onwards? It would seem strange if only 3 new electric buses were ordered for the route, so it could receive a full electric allocation next year. We'll have to see.
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Post by E279 on Jul 21, 2019 10:38:36 GMT
Why didn't Go Ahead order an additional 2-3 WSs with the 227 order, rather than keeping a few older and non-standard vehicles in service? 1/2 non standard vehicles at the end of a contract doesn’t really matter a lot. As said, there’s no point wasting money on new buses, Incase it is lost. If retained, it will be a shame because it is pretty much definite that the scanias will be replaced with WS’s. I do hope it is retained though, as I would have to see another route lose mercs If retained I would expect to see the mercs go, Stagecoach’s Mercs could have done another contract. I recon the 358 and 109 will both lose their mercs at the end of their contracts.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2019 11:23:00 GMT
1/2 non standard vehicles at the end of a contract doesn’t really matter a lot. As said, there’s no point wasting money on new buses, Incase it is lost. If retained, it will be a shame because it is pretty much definite that the scanias will be replaced with WS’s. I do hope it is retained though, as I would have to see another route lose mercs If retained I would expect to see the mercs go, Stagecoach’s Mercs could have done another contract. I recon the 358 and 108 will both lose their mercs at the end of their contracts. The difference between the Stagecoach ones and the 358 MEC’s is the Stagecoach ones required upgrading whereas the 358’s MEC’s are Euro VI from new. The 108’s MEC’s have been upgraded for the Lewisham corridor and are now Euro VI as well.
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Post by E279 on Jul 21, 2019 11:31:07 GMT
If retained I would expect to see the mercs go, Stagecoach’s Mercs could have done another contract. I recon the 358 and 108 will both lose their mercs at the end of their contracts. The difference between the Stagecoach ones and the 358 MEC’s is the Stagecoach ones required upgrading whereas the 358’s MEC’s are Euro VI from new. The 108’s MEC’s have been upgraded for the Lewisham corridor and are now Euro VI as well. The 108s won’t survive another contract anyways, which is sad. I still don’t think that will deter TFL from trying to go with someone who doesn’t offer MECs as if I recall correctly, no one can purchase new mecs for London and TFL don’t appear to be the happiest with them staying in for another contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 11:37:08 GMT
The difference between the Stagecoach ones and the 358 MEC’s is the Stagecoach ones required upgrading whereas the 358’s MEC’s are Euro VI from new. The 108’s MEC’s have been upgraded for the Lewisham corridor and are now Euro VI as well. The 108s won’t survive another contract anyways, which is sad. I still don’t think that will deter TFL from trying to go with someone who doesn’t offer MECs as if I recall correctly, no one can purchase new mecs for London and TFL don’t appear to be the happiest with them staying in for another contract. I see the 108 going electric on the next contract anyway.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 21, 2019 11:54:53 GMT
The difference between the Stagecoach ones and the 358 MEC’s is the Stagecoach ones required upgrading whereas the 358’s MEC’s are Euro VI from new. The 108’s MEC’s have been upgraded for the Lewisham corridor and are now Euro VI as well. The 108s won’t survive another contract anyways, which is sad. I still don’t think that will deter TFL from trying to go with someone who doesn’t offer MECs as if I recall correctly, no one can purchase new mecs for London and TFL don’t appear to be the happiest with them staying in for another contract. The current contract for the 108 runs to May 2022, by which time the MECs will be thirteen years old so will not be used for an "existing vehicles" bid. My prediction is that Go-Ahead will retain the route with new electrics.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2019 12:44:18 GMT
The difference between the Stagecoach ones and the 358 MEC’s is the Stagecoach ones required upgrading whereas the 358’s MEC’s are Euro VI from new. The 108’s MEC’s have been upgraded for the Lewisham corridor and are now Euro VI as well. The 108s won’t survive another contract anyways, which is sad. I still don’t think that will deter TFL from trying to go with someone who doesn’t offer MECs as if I recall correctly, no one can purchase new mecs for London and TFL don’t appear to be the happiest with them staying in for another contract. I’m not sure where you have got that from that TfL don’t appear happy to keep Citaros in London - any bus can stay providing they meet certain criteria and Citaros are just as capable as any vehicle in meeting that criteria. We have also seen older buses retained for new contracts (see Arriva & Metroline) so who knows.
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Post by sid on Jul 21, 2019 14:08:24 GMT
The difference between the Stagecoach ones and the 358 MEC’s is the Stagecoach ones required upgrading whereas the 358’s MEC’s are Euro VI from new. The 108’s MEC’s have been upgraded for the Lewisham corridor and are now Euro VI as well. The 108s won’t survive another contract anyways, which is sad. I still don’t think that will deter TFL from trying to go with someone who doesn’t offer MECs as if I recall correctly, no one can purchase new mecs for London and TFL don’t appear to be the happiest with them staying in for another contract. This myth about TfL banning Mercedes products stems from the fact that they don't have the stop/start feature that TfL specify.
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Post by Pilot on Jul 21, 2019 15:04:01 GMT
The 108s won’t survive another contract anyways, which is sad. I still don’t think that will deter TFL from trying to go with someone who doesn’t offer MECs as if I recall correctly, no one can purchase new mecs for London and TFL don’t appear to be the happiest with them staying in for another contract. This myth about TfL banning Mercedes products stems from the fact that they don't have the stop/start feature that TfL specify. Maybe they're supposed to switch off manually lol.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 21, 2019 15:56:35 GMT
Just travelled on a very full 486 from North Greenwich. Seriously crowded when a wheelchair user boarded at the cinema stop and as for the Ikea stop.
The planner who cut the Sunday service needs their head examined.
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