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Post by LJ17THF on Sept 20, 2020 12:29:59 GMT
Apparently route 358 will still get new electrics but will be introduced in January 2022 according to londonbusroutes.net. Does that mean it got a contract extension, or has it already started its new contract? At least we still have those MEC's, not sure if they'll all survive before 2022 .
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 20, 2020 12:42:50 GMT
Apparently route 358 will still get new electrics but will be introduced in January 2022 according to londonbusroutes.net. Does that mean it got a contract extension, or has it already started its new contract? At least we still have those MEC's, not sure if they'll all survive before 2022 . New contract started yesterday (Saturday 19th September), presumably Go-Ahead has negotiated with TfL and agreed the use of existing vehicles until the electrics arrive.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 21, 2020 15:43:21 GMT
Why is the 127 using so many pre 2007 Es?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2020 17:29:08 GMT
Why is the 127 using so many pre 2007 Es? Because C has number of Enviro 400’s spare at the moment
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Post by adl on Sept 21, 2020 22:08:12 GMT
I wonder if the reason for the 456 being delayed is partly due to buses needed for the route, of course currently there is extra buses required on most routes but on top of that out of the Ex-192 batch, 12 buses are needed for the 352 & R7 leaving only 4 buses left for the 456 where the route needs 6 buses. Will be interesting to see what the allocation ends up being, and the route will need a spare as the 379 does not have a spare and it'll mean that 7 buses (combined PVR of 379 & 456) will have no spare and no alternatives should one develop need for mechanical attention.
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 21, 2020 22:18:49 GMT
I wonder if the reason for the 456 being delayed is partly due to buses needed for the route, of course currently there is extra buses required on most routes but on top of that out of the Ex-192 batch, 12 buses are needed for the 352 & R7 leaving only 4 buses left for the 456 where the route needs 6 buses. Will be interesting to see what the allocation ends up being, and the route will need a spare as the 379 does not have a spare and it'll mean that 7 buses (combined PVR of 379 & 456) will have no spare and no alternatives should one develop need for mechanical attention. The R7 only needs four buses, no nominal spare is required because MB has a very large pool of 8.9m single decks that can be used. I'm not entirely sure why WS64 has moved to MB however, perhaps to indirectly replace SEN38?
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Post by adl on Sept 21, 2020 22:23:20 GMT
I wonder if the reason for the 456 being delayed is partly due to buses needed for the route, of course currently there is extra buses required on most routes but on top of that out of the Ex-192 batch, 12 buses are needed for the 352 & R7 leaving only 4 buses left for the 456 where the route needs 6 buses. Will be interesting to see what the allocation ends up being, and the route will need a spare as the 379 does not have a spare and it'll mean that 7 buses (combined PVR of 379 & 456) will have no spare and no alternatives should one develop need for mechanical attention. The R7 only needs four buses, no nominal spare is required because MB has a very large pool of 8.9m single decks that can be used. I'm not entirely sure why WS64 has moved to MB however, perhaps to indirectly replace SEN38? That still leaves the 456 without a spare and personally I cant see it happening, they are going to need to have a spare for the 456 as they have no spare for the 379. I think a new allocation will formed for the 456 potentially with a swap with E200s from MB with all the WS going to WB as having 5 buses for a PVR of 5 for the 456 and 2 for a PVR of 2 for the 379 is not going to be a good plan especially with the reliability of the WS at NP as it is on top of the fact that the 456 and 379 can only use 8.8/8.9m buses and NP have nothing shorter than 10.2m other than the WS. Even if WS64 did not move still seems like the R7 was getting a spare, WS49-53 for Route R7 and WS54 - WS60 for route 352.
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 21, 2020 22:24:58 GMT
However the original ELT buses that remained with the 5 were given the blue seats. The ones with blue seats weren’t originally ELT buses, if I remember they were spares which were given ELT vinyls and retained a standard GAL interior. I think they came from the 249 after it was lost to Arriva, possibly? They were moved when the EL2 split into a separate schedule from the combined EL1/2 schedule. They did come from the 249 however they moved over a year before the route went to Arriva in early 2016 when the EL routes were extended along with a few of the ex 12 WVL's as vjaska mentions. They were replaced on the 249 by PVL378-PVL389 which had been made spare following the 155's conversion to WHV's at the back end of 2015.
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 21, 2020 22:28:34 GMT
The R7 only needs four buses, no nominal spare is required because MB has a very large pool of 8.9m single decks that can be used. I'm not entirely sure why WS64 has moved to MB however, perhaps to indirectly replace SEN38? That still leaves the 456 without a spare and personally I cant see it happening, they are going to need to have a spare for the 456 as they have no spare for the 379. I think a new allocation will formed for the 456 potentially with a swap with E200s from MB with all the WS going to WB as having 5 buses for a PVR of 5 for the 456 and 2 for a PVR of 2 for the 379 is not going to be a good plan especially with the reliability of the WS at NP as it is on top of the fact that the 456 and 379 can only use 8.8/8.9m buses and NP have nothing shorter than 10.2m other than the WS. Even if WS64 did not move still seems like the R7 was getting a spare, WS49-53 for Route R7 and WS54 - WS60 for route 352. WS46 could've served as a spare at NP, surprised GAL got rid of it unless it was leased of course
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 22, 2020 8:59:25 GMT
The R7 only needs four buses, no nominal spare is required because MB has a very large pool of 8.9m single decks that can be used. I'm not entirely sure why WS64 has moved to MB however, perhaps to indirectly replace SEN38? That still leaves the 456 without a spare and personally I cant see it happening, they are going to need to have a spare for the 456 as they have no spare for the 379. I think a new allocation will formed for the 456 potentially with a swap with E200s from MB with all the WS going to WB as having 5 buses for a PVR of 5 for the 456 and 2 for a PVR of 2 for the 379 is not going to be a good plan especially with the reliability of the WS at NP as it is on top of the fact that the 456 and 379 can only use 8.8/8.9m buses and NP have nothing shorter than 10.2m other than the WS. Even if WS64 did not move still seems like the R7 was getting a spare, WS49-53 for Route R7 and WS54 - WS60 for route 352. any chance of resurrecting DMN1?
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 22, 2020 9:21:54 GMT
That still leaves the 456 without a spare and personally I cant see it happening, they are going to need to have a spare for the 456 as they have no spare for the 379. I think a new allocation will formed for the 456 potentially with a swap with E200s from MB with all the WS going to WB as having 5 buses for a PVR of 5 for the 456 and 2 for a PVR of 2 for the 379 is not going to be a good plan especially with the reliability of the WS at NP as it is on top of the fact that the 456 and 379 can only use 8.8/8.9m buses and NP have nothing shorter than 10.2m other than the WS. Even if WS64 did not move still seems like the R7 was getting a spare, WS49-53 for Route R7 and WS54 - WS60 for route 352. any chance of resurrecting DMN1? It's been scrapped
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Post by bus12451 on Sept 22, 2020 9:29:59 GMT
any chance of resurrecting DMN1? It's been scrapped That's a shame. I had hoped that someone preserved it. It's gearbox still exists though, inside LDP206. Edit: LDP206 seems to have it's own Urban Dictionary definition - www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ldp206
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Post by MoEnviro on Sept 22, 2020 10:47:43 GMT
The R7 only needs four buses, no nominal spare is required because MB has a very large pool of 8.9m single decks that can be used. I'm not entirely sure why WS64 has moved to MB however, perhaps to indirectly replace SEN38? That still leaves the 456 without a spare and personally I cant see it happening, they are going to need to have a spare for the 456 as they have no spare for the 379. I think a new allocation will formed for the 456 potentially with a swap with E200s from MB with all the WS going to WB as having 5 buses for a PVR of 5 for the 456 and 2 for a PVR of 2 for the 379 is not going to be a good plan especially with the reliability of the WS at NP as it is on top of the fact that the 456 and 379 can only use 8.8/8.9m buses and NP have nothing shorter than 10.2m other than the WS. Even if WS64 did not move still seems like the R7 was getting a spare, WS49-53 for Route R7 and WS54 - WS60 for route 352. The 354 and 456 are both 5+1, and the R7 is 4+0. So that’s the 16 buses of WS49-64.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2020 10:57:32 GMT
That still leaves the 456 without a spare and personally I cant see it happening, they are going to need to have a spare for the 456 as they have no spare for the 379. I think a new allocation will formed for the 456 potentially with a swap with E200s from MB with all the WS going to WB as having 5 buses for a PVR of 5 for the 456 and 2 for a PVR of 2 for the 379 is not going to be a good plan especially with the reliability of the WS at NP as it is on top of the fact that the 456 and 379 can only use 8.8/8.9m buses and NP have nothing shorter than 10.2m other than the WS. Even if WS64 did not move still seems like the R7 was getting a spare, WS49-53 for Route R7 and WS54 - WS60 for route 352. The 354 and 456 are both 5+1, and the R7 is 4+0. So that’s the 16 buses of WS49-64. Just to clarify, would that then mean that the 352 is allocated 6 WS & 1 of the 65 reg SE's with the 354 allocated the rest of the 65 reg SE's as a result of the 354's failed route test in regards to using WS's?
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 22, 2020 14:50:44 GMT
The 354 and 456 are both 5+1, and the R7 is 4+0. So that’s the 16 buses of WS49-64. Just to clarify, would that then mean that the 352 is allocated 6 WS & 1 of the 65 reg SE's with the 354 allocated the rest of the 65 reg SE's as a result of the 354's failed route test in regards to using WS's? Probably is the case, unless WS46 is only on temporary loan to Uno, and eventually returns as the 456 spare.
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