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Post by ronnie on Jul 3, 2022 22:20:29 GMT
Just clogged up that the 170 & 476 both operated by this company are the only Diesel buses to enter Central London, just skipping the CC ULEZ! Amazing to think that just a few years back, Diesel buses were all over Central London. Time flies for sure! Doesn’t the 414 also have diesels? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 3, 2022 22:21:53 GMT
Just clogged up that the 170 & 476 both operated by this company are the only Diesel buses to enter Central London, just skipping the CC ULEZ! Amazing to think that just a few years back, Diesel buses were all over Central London. Time flies for sure! Doesn’t the 414 also have diesels? Not anymore. Its 12 reg E40Hs. |
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Post by snowman on Jul 4, 2022 8:06:51 GMT
Do you know what happened to E95-99, 129 and WVL345-349 have they moved to another Go-ahead Depot. Seems to be the plan to ship out 2009-2010 buses to other Go Ahead companies, and I am guessing easier to find homes for common types. However as it will probably be second half of 2023 or even early 2024 before all the recently ordered BYD E400s are all in service, the older VEs and some DOEs (built 2008-2009) might even hit their 15th birthday. My hunch is that fleet reductions will see transfers out of common types, whilst keeping the DOEs |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2022 10:35:52 GMT
Do you know what happened to E95-99, 129 and WVL345-349 have they moved to another Go-ahead Depot. Seems to be the plan to ship out 2009-2010 buses to other Go Ahead companies, and I am guessing easier to find homes for common types. However as it will probably be second half of 2023 or even early 2024 before all the recently ordered BYD E400s are all in service, the older VEs and some DOEs (built 2008-2009) might even hit their 15th birthday. My hunch is that fleet reductions will see transfers out of common types, whilst keeping the DOEs I think it will depend on the council how quickly Go Ahead can press buses into service. Judging by all accounts it isn’t a major build delay at ADL, so far delays seems to be isolated to council applications and delays in installing things like substations and chargers. Given there is already a 30k volt substation positioned adjacent to Sutton garage combined with a council leader, Ruth Dombey, who has a clear agenda to get rid of diesel buses from A I would not think planning applications will be a problem. Nothing submitted yet, but I’d expect it to be very soon. I’m predicting a full late Q1/ early Q2 full introduction date. Yes, I remain optimistic. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 4, 2022 10:42:54 GMT
Seems to be the plan to ship out 2009-2010 buses to other Go Ahead companies, and I am guessing easier to find homes for common types. However as it will probably be second half of 2023 or even early 2024 before all the recently ordered BYD E400s are all in service, the older VEs and some DOEs (built 2008-2009) might even hit their 15th birthday. My hunch is that fleet reductions will see transfers out of common types, whilst keeping the DOEs I think it will depend on the council how quickly Go Ahead can press buses into service. Judging by all accounts it isn’t a major build delay at ADL, so far delays seems to be isolated to council applications and delays in installing things like substations and chargers. Given there is already a 30k volt substation positioned adjacent to Sutton garage combined with a council leader, Ruth Dombey, who has a clear agenda to get rid of diesel buses from A I would not think planning applications will be a problem. Nothing submitted yet, but I’d expect it to be very soon. I’m predicting a full late Q1/ early Q2 full introduction date. Yes, I remain optimistic. You would like to hope that is the case at A. Only spanner in the equation could be if the substation does not have the excess capacity. Do you need planning permission for installing chargers, unless installing structures over 2m such as pantograph. Thought it was one of the advantages over hydrogen? |
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Post by snowman on Jul 4, 2022 10:59:33 GMT
Seems to be the plan to ship out 2009-2010 buses to other Go Ahead companies, and I am guessing easier to find homes for common types. However as it will probably be second half of 2023 or even early 2024 before all the recently ordered BYD E400s are all in service, the older VEs and some DOEs (built 2008-2009) might even hit their 15th birthday. My hunch is that fleet reductions will see transfers out of common types, whilst keeping the DOEs I think it will depend on the council how quickly Go Ahead can press buses into service. Judging by all accounts it isn’t a major build delay at ADL, so far delays seems to be isolated to council applications and delays in installing things like substations and chargers. Given there is already a 30k volt substation positioned adjacent to Sutton garage combined with a council leader, Ruth Dombey, who has a clear agenda to get rid of diesel buses from A I would not think planning applications will be a problem. Nothing submitted yet, but I’d expect it to be very soon. I’m predicting a full late Q1/ early Q2 full introduction date. Yes, I remain optimistic. Regarding the buses, a lot will depend on where they are in the production queue. It is known there are orders for over 100 buses each from Coventry, Scotland etc. There were also big orders placed in various cities after the Government announced English regional grants couple of months back. Just because there is a substation next to A doesn’t mean it is automatically suitable, for a garage that will need something like 70 -80 chargers, going to need a supply that can comfortably handle a few megawatts. There is a good probability that a new transformer etc will be needed |
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Post by M1104 on Jul 4, 2022 13:21:28 GMT
Seems to be the plan to ship out 2009-2010 buses to other Go Ahead companies, and I am guessing easier to find homes for common types. However as it will probably be second half of 2023 or even early 2024 before all the recently ordered BYD E400s are all in service, the older VEs and some DOEs (built 2008-2009) might even hit their 15th birthday. My hunch is that fleet reductions will see transfers out of common types, whilst keeping the DOEs I think it will depend on the council how quickly Go Ahead can press buses into service. Judging by all accounts it isn’t a major build delay at ADL, so far delays seems to be isolated to council applications and delays in installing things like substations and chargers. Given there is already a 30k volt substation positioned adjacent to Sutton garage combined with a council leader, Ruth Dombey, who has a clear agenda to get rid of diesel buses from A I would not think planning applications will be a problem. Nothing submitted yet, but I’d expect it to be very soon. I’m predicting a full late Q1/ early Q2 full introduction date. Yes, I remain optimistic. In relation to Ruth Dombey's agenda would there be any chances at this stage that the 80 gets changed from new & existing buses to all new buses? (in a somewhat similar fate to the 200 award changed from existing hybrids to new EVs). |
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Post by Hillrise Estate 175 on Jul 4, 2022 13:32:05 GMT
Once E61 is gone, what will be the oldest bus Go Ahead London will have for active TfL service work? I’m excluding any commercial buses.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2022 13:53:48 GMT
I think it will depend on the council how quickly Go Ahead can press buses into service. Judging by all accounts it isn’t a major build delay at ADL, so far delays seems to be isolated to council applications and delays in installing things like substations and chargers. Given there is already a 30k volt substation positioned adjacent to Sutton garage combined with a council leader, Ruth Dombey, who has a clear agenda to get rid of diesel buses from A I would not think planning applications will be a problem. Nothing submitted yet, but I’d expect it to be very soon. I’m predicting a full late Q1/ early Q2 full introduction date. Yes, I remain optimistic. In relation to Ruth Dombey's agenda would there be any chances at this stage that the 80 gets changed from new & existing buses to all new buses? (in a somewhat similar fate to the 200 award changed from existing hybrids to new EVs). I doubt it, Dombey will be happy enough with nearly 70 electric buses as she will use it to boast green credentials in Sutton from the Lib Dems, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it become a major Lib Dem talking point at the next general election, they will use any opportunity. We’re talking about a women who defended both SEND and SNED issues in the borough and until recently had no issues burning tons of diesel in the proposed incinerator expansion. As far as I’m aware it is still considered the “greenest” borough in London in terms of trees and green spaces. Operationally it makes sense to keep the 80 as per hybrid for the N93 & N213 allocation of 6 buses across the two. There are also some commercial fleet based at A and engineering vehicles which would incur hefty costs to upgrade. Depending on the 213 award there could be an opportunity to add more electrics but I’m still seeing an existing hybrid award for the 213. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 4, 2022 15:54:19 GMT
Are Go Ahead starting to cull the WVNs ? WVN 18, 24 haven’t been used since April WVN 21, 33 haven’t been used since May What’s there replacement? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 4, 2022 17:52:04 GMT
Are Go Ahead starting to cull the WVNs ? WVN 18, 24 haven’t been used since April WVN 21, 33 haven’t been used since May What’s there replacement? WVN33 hasn’t been confirmed as replaced so ignore that one for starters. WVN18 was part of the 432 so no longer needed whilst WVN21 & 24 were replaced by two spare 45* series WVL’s from the 5 |
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Post by snowman on Jul 4, 2022 18:56:45 GMT
Once E61 is gone, what will be the oldest bus Go Ahead London will have for active TfL service work? I’m excluding any commercial buses. With E1-100 all gone, would be SE36 (if still around) Then would be 58reg, but not sure if VE1-3 or first few DOEs are oldest |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2022 19:08:08 GMT
Once E61 is gone, what will be the oldest bus Go Ahead London will have for active TfL service work? I’m excluding any commercial buses. With E1-100 all gone, would be SE36 (if still around) Then would be 58reg, but not sure if VE1-3 or first few DOEs are oldest According to Bus Lists on the Web the VE were new in September 2008 with the DOE new from December 2008. The DOE also directly follow on from the VE in reg numbers. The VE are likely slightly and albeit just older than the first DOEs. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 4, 2022 19:38:04 GMT
Once E61 is gone, what will be the oldest bus Go Ahead London will have for active TfL service work? I’m excluding any commercial buses. With E1-100 all gone, would be SE36 (if still around) Then would be 58reg, but not sure if VE1-3 or first few DOEs are oldest SE36 has been withdrawn recently so out of the VE's or DOE's |
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Post by COBO on Jul 4, 2022 20:24:03 GMT
What’s there replacement? WVN33 hasn’t been confirmed as replaced so ignore that one for starters. WVN18 was part of the 432 so no longer needed whilst WVN21 & 24 were replaced by two spare 45* series WVL’s from the 5 Oh I thought that they was the WVNs on 476. |
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