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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 24, 2022 13:03:32 GMT
I agree Go Ahead may try to withdraw the OMs as soon as possible, they seem to be very unreliable with often only 2-3 in service at a time. However, my prediction in replacing them would be - once the 119's new electrics are in service - for the 355 to fully convert to DDs using the spare WHVs, then releasing its WSs to the S1, requiring no vehicle movements between garages. The 65reg SEs from the 163/164 could then remain at AL to replace the SOEs on the 152. This would withdraw the entire SOE fleet other than a few on the 455, which could be replaced by spare SEs in the short term - C likely have a surplus of SEs anyway to cover part of the S1. For the 470, the ex-322 SEs would seem most likely, especially as the consultation changed have been amended to keep the S3's current routeing around Sutton Common which likely can't fit anything longer. And are a more standard type than the OMs, other than length being more or less identical to the 65reg SEs at AL. Though you could perhaps move the G1 to AL for a common fleet with the 470, possibly with the 44 going the other way to SW? that all seems a bit complicated. The 65reg SEs may be needed to kick off the 366 contract if the new SEes (or whatever they order) are late into service. Ofcourse at one point we may see the 439 and S2 awarded which may use the remaining SEs from the 322. If introduced at the same time, they could work the 470 then when it's gets shortened they could move to the 439.
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Post by TB123 on Sept 24, 2022 13:18:30 GMT
Slightly separate, but when did the 455 last get new buses? 2003? Yes, the DWL’s in 2003 were the last new buses the 455’s received. I think that contract actually started in 2002 though and the DWL’s were delivered a year late It got new 52 plate PDLs in January 2003 then the DWLs later that year. The PDLs later moved to the new 382 route
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 24, 2022 13:31:59 GMT
that all seems a bit complicated. The 65reg SEs may be needed to kick off the 366 contract if the new SEes (or whatever they order) are late into service. Ofcourse at one point we may see the 439 and S2 awarded which may use the remaining SEs from the 322. If introduced at the same time, they could work the 470 then when it's gets shortened they could move to the 439. Has the 470 ever seen anything longer than 10.2m? I don’t think 10.8m would take that corner towards Morden on Sutton Common Road by Angel Hill. Maybe if nothing was stacked up on the corner but traffic tends to back up there as the lights only allow 4-5 cars per turn into Sutton.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 24, 2022 14:50:51 GMT
Just been past A, despite living a 3 minute walk away I don’t get around there very often. Anyway there are two mobile minis stacked in the rear yard where the Go Sutton minibuses used to park and scaffolding attached to the rear of the building adjacent to the 80 stop, none of this was there a month ago. The side entrances have also been boarded up, presumably temporarily, although one of them was done a while ago. So I think A is in the early stages of the electric upgrade. I’ll try to keep everyone updated as I see further developments.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 24, 2022 14:54:02 GMT
Just been past A, despite living a 3 minute walk away I don’t get around there very often. Anyway there are two mobile minis stacked in the rear yard where the Go Sutton minibuses used to park and scaffolding attached to the rear of the building adjacent to the 80 stop. The side entrances have also been boarded up, presumably temporarily, although one of them was done a while ago. So I think A is in the early stages of the electric upgrade. I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322.
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Post by abellion on Sept 24, 2022 15:24:58 GMT
Just been past A, despite living a 3 minute walk away I don’t get around there very often. Anyway there are two mobile minis stacked in the rear yard where the Go Sutton minibuses used to park and scaffolding attached to the rear of the building adjacent to the 80 stop. The side entrances have also been boarded up, presumably temporarily, although one of them was done a while ago. So I think A is in the early stages of the electric upgrade. I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. There should be no problem slotting the 93 into SW. I think it would make sense to transfer WVLs and WHVs and possibly some Es with the 93 since the SW drivers are used to them.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 24, 2022 15:28:08 GMT
Just been past A, despite living a 3 minute walk away I don’t get around there very often. Anyway there are two mobile minis stacked in the rear yard where the Go Sutton minibuses used to park and scaffolding attached to the rear of the building adjacent to the 80 stop. The side entrances have also been boarded up, presumably temporarily, although one of them was done a while ago. So I think A is in the early stages of the electric upgrade. I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. Under that senario the 93 would come to mind as only two depots would need to be involved with the busical chairs. Another remote possibility could be to temporarily transfer more night work to Sutton so that less buses are parked there overnight.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Sept 24, 2022 16:16:28 GMT
I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. Under that senario the 93 would come to mind as only two depots would need to be involved with the busical chairs. Another remote possibility could be to temporarily transfer more night work to Sutton so that less buses are parked there overnight. N44?
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Post by Unorm on Sept 24, 2022 18:20:05 GMT
Has the 470 ever seen anything longer than 10.2m? I don’t think 10.8m would take that corner towards Morden on Sutton Common Road by Angel Hill. Maybe if nothing was stacked up on the corner but traffic tends to back up there as the lights only allow 4-5 cars per turn into Sutton. There are many MCMs, some DLEs and even 11.m OVs that have logs on LVF but I don't see corresponding photos. The amount of MCMs suggests at least some to be genuine. I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. SW also lost the 432 with PVR cuts on 11, 88 and 155 recently, total of these cuts+losses being a -36 PVR.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 24, 2022 18:42:22 GMT
Has the 470 ever seen anything longer than 10.2m? I don’t think 10.8m would take that corner towards Morden on Sutton Common Road by Angel Hill. Maybe if nothing was stacked up on the corner but traffic tends to back up there as the lights only allow 4-5 cars per turn into Sutton. There are many MCMs, some DLEs and even 11.m OVs that have logs on LVF but I don't see corresponding photos. The amount of MCMs suggests at least some to be genuine. I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. SW also lost the 432 with PVR cuts on 11, 88 and 155 recently, total of these cuts+losses being a -36 PVR. Yh, I did notice those MCM journeys. They all seem to be at the end of the 470s service day so they could have been covering mileage, but they do seem genuine. I’m not sure a full 10.8m service would be suitable though.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 24, 2022 18:44:58 GMT
Has the 470 ever seen anything longer than 10.2m? I don’t think 10.8m would take that corner towards Morden on Sutton Common Road by Angel Hill. Maybe if nothing was stacked up on the corner but traffic tends to back up there as the lights only allow 4-5 cars per turn into Sutton. There are many MCMs, some DLEs and even 11.m OVs that have logs on LVF but I don't see corresponding photos. The amount of MCMs suggests at least some to be genuine. I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. SW also lost the 432 with PVR cuts on 11, 88 and 155 recently, total of these cuts+losses being a -36 PVR. SW has been quite hard hit over the past couple of years really. It's possible the 11 will stay there even if it moves on to the 507 contact with LTs.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Sept 24, 2022 18:52:05 GMT
There are many MCMs, some DLEs and even 11.m OVs that have logs on LVF but I don't see corresponding photos. The amount of MCMs suggests at least some to be genuine. SW also lost the 432 with PVR cuts on 11, 88 and 155 recently, total of these cuts+losses being a -36 PVR. SW has been quite hard hit over the past couple of years really. It's possible the 11 will stay there even if it moves on to the 507 contact with LTs. If the proposals for routes 11/507 go ahead, I can see the 507 remaining single decker (retaining its electrics) thus staying at its current garage Waterloo. Maybe if the revised route 214 goes ahead, it could move to Stockwell?
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Post by M1104 on Sept 24, 2022 19:16:08 GMT
Under that senario the 93 would come to mind as only two depots would need to be involved with the busical chairs. Another remote possibility could be to temporarily transfer more night work to Sutton so that less buses are parked there overnight. N44? That or N155, the latter which are already on A's blindsets
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Post by kermit463 on Sept 24, 2022 19:31:52 GMT
I wonder if they will have to temporarily move a route out to give a bit more space if sections are being roped off. Not sure who has much space though at the moment. SW probably since the loss of the 315 and 322. There should be no problem slotting the 93 into SW. I think it would make sense to transfer WVLs and WHVs and possibly some Es with the 93 since the SW drivers are used to them. I know they do a few running’s now but isn’t that a lot of dead mileage from either terminus to SW?
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Post by abellion on Sept 24, 2022 19:51:27 GMT
There should be no problem slotting the 93 into SW. I think it would make sense to transfer WVLs and WHVs and possibly some Es with the 93 since the SW drivers are used to them. I know they do a few running’s now but isn’t that a lot of dead mileage from either terminus to SW? Yes but it would only be a temporary measure. The 118 does runs from SW to Morden and North Cheam isn’t that far off. It could go to AL which is closer to Cheam and has ran the 270.
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