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Post by TB123 on Mar 27, 2024 14:11:08 GMT
The contract for the 358 is for electric buses. Route tests showed that the route is too long for currently available single deck electric vehicles. Notably this was when the route had its tender result announced in 2019, since then the 111 which has a similar length has been started up with electric buses and ADL now have a vehicle that can do almost 300 miles. The 358 will happen simply because far too much work has now gone into this, however I think opportunity charging isn't going to be something that London buses need. It might be useful in the provinces but probably not London. Almost 1000 EV buses have just been funded for English provinces through ZEBRA and no successful bid includes opportunity charging. Make of that what you will.... I think it's been a 'success' in continental Europe because it was a bandwagon they jumped on 5-odd years before the UK at a time when overnight charging didn't have the same capacity as the models of today.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 27, 2024 14:14:37 GMT
The driver was right and the 358 can be operated with existing buses that are available. The contract for the 358 is for electric buses. Route tests showed that the route is too long for currently available single deck electric vehicles. That's nonsense, the 358 is 15 miles end to end.
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Post by theferret124 on Mar 27, 2024 15:19:27 GMT
The driver was right and the 358 can be operated with existing buses that are available. The contract for the 358 is for electric buses. Route tests showed that the route is too long for currently available single deck electric vehicles. maybe at the time, when the only real electric single was the BYD200EV but since the award there have been major developments, with opcos open to the new kite and BZL SD. I don't see it happening anywhere else (regionally or in London), as mentioned earlier by others especially because the London electric single decker market is no longer a one horse race, and opportunity charging comes with problems due to infrastructure needing to be installed on private property*. It only works if everything goes well, and all parties are in agreement (property/land owners, opco and TfL), the 358 situation a good reflection of what happens when one side doesn't agree. *in most cases
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 15:40:44 GMT
Apart from the WVNs/WVLs moving over, are there any other buses with blinds for the 473/262. I'd imagine they may take the opportunity to reblind WHVs as some do not feature the 368 and WHVs seem to be the biggest hybrid fleet at RR baring the LTs. I can't imagine the EHs will be reblinded. Will the remaining WVNs be ready in time as NP still requires 3/4 more hybrids in order to release them. I know the batch on the 157 have the blinds, waste of effort now, I'm not sure why MHV15-16 & 19 haven't transferred over yet especially with the additional Ees now on the 35 (47 out of 48 Ees at Q are in active service) MHV15 has now transferred to NP
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 27, 2024 16:05:40 GMT
The driver was right and the 358 can be operated with existing buses that are available. The contract for the 358 is for electric buses. Route tests showed that the route is too long for currently available single deck electric vehicles. Do we know this for sure, or did TFL just choose the 358 to trial pantograph technology? Route length should have anything to do with it, it's more a matter of how the scheduling/duties work, specifically the distance that needs to be covered in between recharging. A short route using EVs would still require buses to be in service for a certain number of hours during the day, but would just make more round trips in that time than the 358.
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Post by PGAT on Mar 27, 2024 17:28:24 GMT
The contract for the 358 is for electric buses. Route tests showed that the route is too long for currently available single deck electric vehicles. That's nonsense, the 358 is 15 miles end to end. That's longer than the majority of routes
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Post by greenboy on Mar 27, 2024 17:46:23 GMT
That's nonsense, the 358 is 15 miles end to end. That's longer than the majority of routes And how is that relevant if electric buses have a range of around 200 miles?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 17:48:47 GMT
That's longer than the majority of routes And how is that relevant if electric buses have a range of around 200 miles? Some buses do 13 trips + deadruns which would equate to more than 200, battery degradation is a major issue as the manufacture stats never equal to real life performance, it's also impossible to accurately calculate the actual degradation
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Post by greenboy on Mar 27, 2024 18:00:22 GMT
And how is that relevant if electric buses have a range of around 200 miles? Some buses do 13 trips + deadruns which would equate to more than 200, battery degradation is a major issue as the manufacture stats never equal to real life performance, it's also impossible to accurately calculate the actual degradation Yes they would have to have a recharge just as buses do on other routes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 18:10:14 GMT
Some buses do 13 trips + deadruns which would equate to more than 200, battery degradation is a major issue as the manufacture stats never equal to real life performance, it's also impossible to accurately calculate the actual degradation Yes they would have to have a recharge just as buses do on other routes. Not all EV routes have their buses scheduled to come in during the day for a recharge, in fact, very few do and are more related to driver breaks or night crosslinks etc.
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Post by yunus on Mar 27, 2024 18:54:17 GMT
I know the batch on the 157 have the blinds, waste of effort now, I'm not sure why MHV15-16 & 19 haven't transferred over yet especially with the additional Ees now on the 35 (47 out of 48 Ees at Q are in active service) MHV15 has now transferred to NP Only 2 Diesel Volvos remain at NP currently on the 476 which I guess will move over on or after Saturday.
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Post by adl on Mar 27, 2024 19:27:44 GMT
I know the batch on the 157 have the blinds, waste of effort now, I'm not sure why MHV15-16 & 19 haven't transferred over yet especially with the additional Ees now on the 35 (47 out of 48 Ees at Q are in active service) MHV15 has now transferred to NP I’m hearing MHV55 is due to make the move with MHV15-16 & 19. MHV11-20 & MHV53-59 = Route 476 MHV60 Route 657 MHV61 Route 91 MHV62 Soare / Refurb Float, I guess could also be used towards the 91s allocation when extended to Wood Green?
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Post by yunus on Mar 27, 2024 19:40:51 GMT
MHV15 has now transferred to NP I’m hearing MHV55 is due to make the move with MHV15-16 & 19. MHV11-20 & MHV53-59 = Route 476 MHV60 Route 657 MHV61 Route 91 MHV62 Soare / Refurb Float, I guess could also be used towards the 91s allocation when extended to Wood Green? Correct if I am wrong but I saw a Hybrid MMC on the 476 just two days ago?
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Post by london23 on Mar 27, 2024 20:04:23 GMT
Are MHV86 and 90 staying at Newcross or are they moving elsewhere.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 27, 2024 20:23:54 GMT
I’m hearing MHV55 is due to make the move with MHV15-16 & 19. MHV11-20 & MHV53-59 = Route 476 MHV60 Route 657 MHV61 Route 91 MHV62 Soare / Refurb Float, I guess could also be used towards the 91s allocation when extended to Wood Green? Correct if I am wrong but I saw a Hybrid MMC on the 476 just two days ago? That would be one of the 91's Volvo B5LH examples, they been straying onto the 476 not long after the 91 moved to NP
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