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Post by M1104 on Apr 16, 2024 12:25:50 GMT
Hopefully now the time has come for Go Ahead to order a different type completely as opposed to the 10.3m City with a reduced capacity for the 151. Both the 280 or 320 would be good routes to order against. Once Go Ahead's current allocations settle down (in this case, mostly relying on the 57's 24reg Ees entering service at AL), there will now also be 16 spare Ees from the 151, as well as the charging infrastructure at Sutton garage. Considering the 151/280 have the same PVR and serve similar areas, I think the best solution for now would be to swap the two routes operationally. So the 280 moves to A using the 23reg Ees, and in turn the 151 to GM using the 61reg WHVs. The new integral E400EV would likely fit around the Worcester Park stand, so if it is available in time to TFL spec, maybe Go Ahead will order a batch against the 280 contract, for eventual use on the 151? Electroliner orders could also be an option given that EL1 is presently used on route
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 16:03:59 GMT
SOEs from the 152 will directly and indirectly displace 65 plate SEs at AL for the P4
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Post by abellion on Apr 16, 2024 16:07:15 GMT
SOEs from the 152 will directly and indirectly displace 65 plate SEs at AL for the P4 Are the 65 plates all 10.8m, or at least the ex-163/164 ones?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 16:09:53 GMT
SOEs from the 152 will directly and indirectly displace 65 plate SEs at AL for the P4 Are the 65 plates all 10.8m, or at least the ex-163/164 ones? SE268-287 are all 10.8m
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Post by adl on Apr 16, 2024 16:19:23 GMT
SOEs from the 152 will directly and indirectly displace 65 plate SEs at AL for the P4 Lots of them at RR for the 325, is RR showing any signs of electrification completion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 16:22:57 GMT
SOEs from the 152 will directly and indirectly displace 65 plate SEs at AL for the P4 Lots of them at RR for the 325, is RR showing any signs of electrification completion? Not sure
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Post by abellion on Apr 16, 2024 16:23:19 GMT
Are the 65 plates all 10.8m, or at least the ex-163/164 ones? SE268-287 are all 10.8m Thanks, that explains why SE285 and others going on the 493 were so much more pleasant than the usual buses. I was hoping that they could stay on the 493 and still hope that the 39’s Streetlites might come over for capacity purposes!
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 16, 2024 18:08:22 GMT
SOEs from the 152 will directly and indirectly displace 65 plate SEs at AL for the P4 I'm not sure why the SOEs need to displace anything once the 152 fully converts to electrics to be honest, there are more than enough 61-reg SEs at AL for the 200, and some Es spare too.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 16, 2024 18:15:24 GMT
Or put the 80 back into A with all Ees and the 151 into GM with the WHVs till something new is ordered. I think swapping the 280 and 151 is a much better idea. The 80s WHV already have the 151 on the blinds so they wouldn’t need to be updated and the blinds that come out of the DOEs could be used for the 280s WHVs. If I were Go Ahead though I would either make GM a stand alone garage or link into A. I agree, and I'd actually go as far as swapping them permanently. The 280 can move into A and use the 151's Ees straight away, and the 151 can move to GM and use the 61-reg WHVs for between 1-2 years, and then eventually move to Garth Road and use ADL integral E400EVs or Electroliners, potentially as part of a common fleet with the 293 which GAL will probably win.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 16, 2024 18:32:12 GMT
I think swapping the 280 and 151 is a much better idea. The 80s WHV already have the 151 on the blinds so they wouldn’t need to be updated and the blinds that come out of the DOEs could be used for the 280s WHVs. If I were Go Ahead though I would either make GM a stand alone garage or link into A. I agree, and I'd actually go as far as swapping them permanently. The 280 can move into A and use the 151's Ees straight away, and the 151 can move to GM and use the 61-reg WHVs for between 1-2 years, and then eventually move to Garth Road and use ADL integral E200EVs or Electroliners, potentially as part of a common fleet with the 293 which GAL will probably win. I’m not convinced GAL will win the 293. The timeline for Garth Road doesn’t seem to fit with contract start date of August 2025 given it’s at least an 18 month build project and it is a large scale complex build. Unless Go Ahead can find space at AL or C I just don’t see them winning it.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 16, 2024 18:35:26 GMT
I agree, and I'd actually go as far as swapping them permanently. The 280 can move into A and use the 151's Ees straight away, and the 151 can move to GM and use the 61-reg WHVs for between 1-2 years, and then eventually move to Garth Road and use ADL integral E200EVs or Electroliners, potentially as part of a common fleet with the 293 which GAL will probably win. I’m not convinced GAL will win the 293. The timeline for Garth Road doesn’t seem to fit with contract start date of August 2025 given it’s at least an 18 month build project and it is a large scale complex build. Unless Go Ahead can find space at AL or C I just don’t see them winning it. Not to mention RATP already have suitable buses which whilst it isn't a deal breaker I do think it will still give them an edge for a 3 year contract.
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Post by aleed on Apr 16, 2024 19:02:44 GMT
How many Gemini 3s are allocated to the 57 and 80?
My approach would be to displace the hybrids from the 57 and 80 and put them on the 151 and use the 151 electrics on the two routes to convert them into a full electric operation! Although I guess I'm not sure whether an award for new electric buses can change to hybrids, we saw something like this happen with the 312 when the Metrocities were just not fit enough!
However, putting the 280 hybrids temporarily and giving the 280 151s allocation also seems like a really smart approach, really looking forward to seeing what Go Ahead will do considering the fact that the stand won't be dealt with!
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Post by abellion on Apr 16, 2024 19:08:39 GMT
How many Gemini 3s are allocated to the 57 and 80? My approach would be to displace the hybrids from the 57 and 80 and put them on the 151 and use the 151 electrics on the two routes to convert them into a full electric operation! Although I guess I'm not sure whether an award for new electric buses can change to hybrids, we saw something like this happen with the 312 when the Metrocities were just not fit enough! However, putting the 280 hybrids temporarily and giving the 280 151s allocation also seems like a really smart approach, really looking forward to seeing what Go Ahead will do considering the fact that the stand won't be dealt with! The 57 is supposed to be allocated 8 alongside 13 Ees but I believe there are 9 WHVs as one came from C at one point, and there appears to be 11 for the 80 glacing at LVF
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Post by PGAT on Apr 16, 2024 19:14:55 GMT
How many Gemini 3s are allocated to the 57 and 80? My approach would be to displace the hybrids from the 57 and 80 and put them on the 151 and use the 151 electrics on the two routes to convert them into a full electric operation! Although I guess I'm not sure whether an award for new electric buses can change to hybrids, we saw something like this happen with the 312 when the Metrocities were just not fit enough! However, putting the 280 hybrids temporarily and giving the 280 151s allocation also seems like a really smart approach, really looking forward to seeing what Go Ahead will do considering the fact that the stand won't be dealt with! I believe 8 hybrids are allocated to the 80 with the spare also being one
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 16, 2024 19:16:45 GMT
How many Gemini 3s are allocated to the 57 and 80? My approach would be to displace the hybrids from the 57 and 80 and put them on the 151 and use the 151 electrics on the two routes to convert them into a full electric operation! Although I guess I'm not sure whether an award for new electric buses can change to hybrids, we saw something like this happen with the 312 when the Metrocities were just not fit enough! However, putting the 280 hybrids temporarily and giving the 280 151s allocation also seems like a really smart approach, really looking forward to seeing what Go Ahead will do considering the fact that the stand won't be dealt with! The 57 is supposed to be allocated 8 alongside 13 Ees but I believe there are 9 WHVs as one came from C at one point, and there appears to be 11 for the 80 glacing at LVF The 9th WHV at AL is for the 163's double decker working, and I believe the 80 is allocated 9 WHVs (although 1 is still at A for the 151 because the DOEs are very unreliable now especially given their age).
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