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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 22, 2024 12:07:06 GMT
Construction of Morden bus garage located on the site of 220 Garth Road is now expected to begin in August 2024 (subject to planning permission) with the provisional code being LM. The 12 months seem optimistic and the 15 months stated in the plans seem more realistic. In other news, in December 2023, when GAL extended the lease of GM, the landlords reaffirmed that they were looking at taking back the site in 2025 for redevelopment, but no exact details were shared So it doesn't seem like GM will be permanent if the landlord wants the land back at some point. Does that mean the 280 will continue with its existing buses till Garth Road opens?
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Post by YX10FFN on Apr 22, 2024 14:53:29 GMT
The 15 has always seemed a very busy route to me in the last few years, especially on its western end, even today as I’m observing it on a grim Monday afternoon. Feel like it’s frequency cut May have been too harsh.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 22, 2024 15:51:25 GMT
The Orpington end is where the majority of the delays have been regarding the 358 - the pantograph at Palace has been installed and tested months ago as I witnessed a IE myself testing out the pantograph I wonder why they can't run a few of them using the one pantograph at CP atleast to start getting them run in? I can only presume it's not feasible to do so but it's rather daft that some can't even enter service on a different route elsewhere and be charged via regular means. The other thing I'd like to know is if the current stand for the 358 is going to be made permanent or will terminating Crystal Palace routes get their old alighting point back opposite the bus station as since the pantograph began construction, the 358 has stood at what was the alighting point for all terminating Palace routes from Westow Hill & Anerley Hill with these routes alighting at their previous stops.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 22, 2024 16:01:25 GMT
I wonder why they can't run a few of them using the one pantograph at CP atleast to start getting them run in? I can only presume it's not feasible to do so but it's rather daft that some can't even enter service on a different route elsewhere and be charged via regular means. The other thing I'd like to know is if the current stand for the 358 is going to be made permanent or will terminating Crystal Palace routes get their old alighting point back opposite the bus station as since the pantograph began construction, the 358 has stood at what was the alighting point for all terminating Palace routes from Westow Hill & Anerley Hill with these routes alighting at their previous stops. Still seems odd to me that they need charging at either end. I can understand needing a top up on a long route but surely they can do longer then just Orpington to CP.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 22, 2024 16:08:55 GMT
I wonder why they can't run a few of them using the one pantograph at CP atleast to start getting them run in? I can only presume it's not feasible to do so but it's rather daft that some can't even enter service on a different route elsewhere and be charged via regular means. The other thing I'd like to know is if the current stand for the 358 is going to be made permanent or will terminating Crystal Palace routes get their old alighting point back opposite the bus station as since the pantograph began construction, the 358 has stood at what was the alighting point for all terminating Palace routes from Westow Hill & Anerley Hill with these routes alighting at their previous stops. They don't even need to be charged by regular means, I don't understand why they haven't temporarily put them on the 227, only charging them up at Crystal Palace, given a round trip to Bromley and back on the 227 is shorter than a single journey on the 358.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 22, 2024 16:39:07 GMT
This is one probably for @notcha . Do you happen to know how many chargers are installed at DS? I know they have them for the 366 and D3 but was wondering if they have installed additional ones?
I noticed in this months LOTS the next batch of Ee's should be the 262 batch so if chargers are installed they could enter service fairly soon.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 22, 2024 16:51:43 GMT
This is one probably for @notcha . Do you happen to know how many chargers are installed at DS? I know they have them for the 366 and D3 but was wondering if they have installed additional ones? I noticed in this months LOTS the next batch of Ee's should be the 262 batch so if chargers are installed they could enter service fairly soon. Others will be better informed, but I believe the plan is to move the 366 to RR when the chargers are ready there, and then the 262/473 can convert to electrics at DS using the existing chargers.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 22, 2024 17:30:51 GMT
This is one probably for @notcha . Do you happen to know how many chargers are installed at DS? I know they have them for the 366 and D3 but was wondering if they have installed additional ones? I noticed in this months LOTS the next batch of Ee's should be the 262 batch so if chargers are installed they could enter service fairly soon. Others will be better informed, but I believe the plan is to move the 366 to RR when the chargers are ready there, and then the 262/473 can convert to electrics at DS using the existing chargers. I am aware of the 366 move. My question was more will the 262 have to wait until then? I would assume more chargers will be installed at DS as they will have the D3, 262, 473 and 129 next year.
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Post by Dad91 on Apr 22, 2024 17:39:07 GMT
Others will be better informed, but I believe the plan is to move the 366 to RR when the chargers are ready there, and then the 262/473 can convert to electrics at DS using the existing chargers. I am aware of the 366 move. My question was more will the 262 have to wait until then? I would assume more chargers will be installed at DS as they will have the D3, 262, 473 and 129 next year. SL4
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Post by greenboy on Apr 22, 2024 17:42:01 GMT
I can only presume it's not feasible to do so but it's rather daft that some can't even enter service on a different route elsewhere and be charged via regular means. The other thing I'd like to know is if the current stand for the 358 is going to be made permanent or will terminating Crystal Palace routes get their old alighting point back opposite the bus station as since the pantograph began construction, the 358 has stood at what was the alighting point for all terminating Palace routes from Westow Hill & Anerley Hill with these routes alighting at their previous stops. They don't even need to be charged by regular means, I don't understand why they haven't temporarily put them on the 227, only charging them up at Crystal Palace, given a round trip to Bromley and back on the 227 is shorter than a single journey on the 358. I suggested previously putting them on the 227 if the Crystal Palace pantograph is fully operational, there is a bus there from time to time presumably doing some sort of testing. Otherwise maybe use a few of them on the R9 with buses returning to MB for charging?
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 22, 2024 17:44:16 GMT
Others will be better informed, but I believe the plan is to move the 366 to RR when the chargers are ready there, and then the 262/473 can convert to electrics at DS using the existing chargers. I am aware of the 366 move. My question was more will the 262 have to wait until then? I would assume more chargers will be installed at DS as they will have the D3, 262, 473 and 129 next year. The combined PVR of the 262 and 473 is one more than the 366 so no extra chargers will be needed for these routes once the 366 moves to RR. This move was supposed to happen a few weeks ago, so I'm assuming it will go ahead soon once the chargers at RR are ready, and then the 262 will likely begin to convert to electrics. The 129 and SL4 won't be moving in until the Silvertown Tunnel opens sometime in 2025, so I can't imagine there will be any rush to install more chargers at DS now when most of the other GAL garages need wiring up/more chargers much sooner.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 22, 2024 18:23:26 GMT
I can only presume it's not feasible to do so but it's rather daft that some can't even enter service on a different route elsewhere and be charged via regular means. The other thing I'd like to know is if the current stand for the 358 is going to be made permanent or will terminating Crystal Palace routes get their old alighting point back opposite the bus station as since the pantograph began construction, the 358 has stood at what was the alighting point for all terminating Palace routes from Westow Hill & Anerley Hill with these routes alighting at their previous stops. Still seems odd to me that they need charging at either end. I can understand needing a top up on a long route but surely they can do longer then just Orpington to CP. I believe the duties on the 358 are the reason this type of operation is happening?
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Post by WH241 on Apr 22, 2024 19:07:46 GMT
The 358 latest target date has moved from June to August for the buses to enter service.
As for using the buses on other route I am sure Go Ahead must have looked into this but for what ever reason has chosen not to. I think this is a case of people looking on from the outside and thinking it is easier than it probably is.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 22, 2024 19:11:28 GMT
I am aware of the 366 move. My question was more will the 262 have to wait until then? I would assume more chargers will be installed at DS as they will have the D3, 262, 473 and 129 next year. The combined PVR of the 262 and 473 is one more than the 366 so no extra chargers will be needed for these routes once the 366 moves to RR. This move was supposed to happen a few weeks ago, so I'm assuming it will go ahead soon once the chargers at RR are ready, and then the 262 will likely begin to convert to electrics. The 129 and SL4 won't be moving in until the Silvertown Tunnel opens sometime in 2025, so I can't imagine there will be any rush to install more chargers at DS now when most of the other GAL garages need wiring up/more chargers much sooner. The 376 is due to move into DS when it goes electric so believe more chargers will be needed soon.
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Post by ibus246 on Apr 22, 2024 19:15:25 GMT
Was on the 439 today and when the bus left Whyteleafe station the iBus displayed showed “insert number mins until Waddon Station”
Bearing in mind the bus passes Kenley Station and Purley Station before Waddon, what use is that?
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