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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 14:05:32 GMT
Reread what I wrote, whenever I’ve them like I described the visual is still displaying the next stop and the audio is still announcing. They are just stuck displaying “Bus Stopping” on the lower line. Otherwise it is fully functional. Better yet read this slowly so you can understand what I’m typing out. Plenty of nothing displayed on the bottom line on the single deckers on my local routes from MG. I'm not mentioning the other part of the display. No need to reread where you are making excuses for the operator. So they aren’t displaying a clock where you are? Better recall the whole fleet then jobsworth.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 8, 2024 14:27:57 GMT
Plenty of nothing displayed on the bottom line on the single deckers on my local routes from MG. I'm not mentioning the other part of the display. No need to reread where you are making excuses for the operator. So they aren’t displaying a clock where you are? Better recall the whole fleet then jobsworth. I have only referred to the bus stopping element. You say a display is OK if the Bus stopping is on all the time. It's not. What happens when somebody doesn't press the bell because it is showing. The driver goes past the stop. Being an apologist is OK then? Don't bother to reply you're blocked.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 14:31:29 GMT
So they aren’t displaying a clock where you are? Better recall the whole fleet then jobsworth. I have only referred to the bus stopping element. You say a display is OK if the Bus stopping is on all the time. It's not. What happens when somebody doesn't press the bell because it is showing. The driver goes past the stop. Being an apologist is OK then? Don't bother to reply you're blocked. If that person is stupid enough to not listen out for the noise the bell makes or presses it themselves then it absolutely is their fault. The driver still knows when the bell has or hasn’t been pressed and that’s all they need to say. It’s also why they cover up the continuous part, to avoid stupid people being confused. This is, as with many of your affirmations about when a bus should be out of service, very minor and doesn’t impede bus operations.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 8, 2024 15:17:53 GMT
I have only referred to the bus stopping element. You say a display is OK if the Bus stopping is on all the time. It's not. What happens when somebody doesn't press the bell because it is showing. The driver goes past the stop. Being an apologist is OK then? Don't bother to reply you're blocked. If that person is stupid enough to not listen out for the noise the bell makes or presses it themselves then it absolutely is their fault. The driver still knows when the bell has or hasn’t been pressed and that’s all they need to say. It’s also why they cover up the continuous part, to avoid stupid people being confused. This is, as with many of your affirmations about when a bus should be out of service, very minor and doesn’t impede bus operations. So legal requirements are minor in your book. Good job you're not in charge of bus operations.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 8, 2024 15:25:17 GMT
If that person is stupid enough to not listen out for the noise the bell makes or presses it themselves then it absolutely is their fault. The driver still knows when the bell has or hasn’t been pressed and that’s all they need to say. It’s also why they cover up the continuous part, to avoid stupid people being confused. This is, as with many of your affirmations about when a bus should be out of service, very minor and doesn’t impede bus operations. So legal requirements are minor in your book. Good job you're not in charge of bus operations. Is the actual bus stopping sign a requirement? Surely the requirement is the notification on the driver's dash?
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 15:26:47 GMT
If that person is stupid enough to not listen out for the noise the bell makes or presses it themselves then it absolutely is their fault. The driver still knows when the bell has or hasn’t been pressed and that’s all they need to say. It’s also why they cover up the continuous part, to avoid stupid people being confused. This is, as with many of your affirmations about when a bus should be out of service, very minor and doesn’t impede bus operations. So legal requirements are minor in your book. Good job you're not in charge of bus operations. No, but common sense is major. Something that seems to be consistently lacking in your posts.
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Post by danorak on Jul 8, 2024 15:38:35 GMT
I have only referred to the bus stopping element. You say a display is OK if the Bus stopping is on all the time. It's not. What happens when somebody doesn't press the bell because it is showing. The driver goes past the stop. Being an apologist is OK then? Don't bother to reply you're blocked. If that person is stupid enough to not listen out for the noise the bell makes or presses it themselves then it absolutely is their fault. The driver still knows when the bell has or hasn’t been pressed and that’s all they need to say. It’s also why they cover up the continuous part, to avoid stupid people being confused. This is, as with many of your affirmations about when a bus should be out of service, very minor and doesn’t impede bus operations. The problem is that the 'bus stopping' sign is specifically required to assist deaf passengers. For obvious reasons, they won't hear the bell!
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Post by mark on Jul 8, 2024 15:39:19 GMT
So legal requirements are minor in your book. Good job you're not in charge of bus operations. Is the actual blood stopping sign a requirement? Surely the requirement is the notification on the driver's dash? The bus stopping sign is for the benefit of passengers and is covered under “communication devices” in the regulations - www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/1970/schedule/2/madeIn essence it is designed to let passengers know that the driver is aware that a stop has been requested. They can therefore remain seated until the bus has stopped. On a related matter, although constant references are made to the DDA this act was repealed by the Equalities Act.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 15:43:57 GMT
If that person is stupid enough to not listen out for the noise the bell makes or presses it themselves then it absolutely is their fault. The driver still knows when the bell has or hasn’t been pressed and that’s all they need to say. It’s also why they cover up the continuous part, to avoid stupid people being confused. This is, as with many of your affirmations about when a bus should be out of service, very minor and doesn’t impede bus operations. The problem is that the 'bus stopping' sign is specifically required to assist deaf passengers. For obvious reasons, they won't hear the bell! As long as the driver is gets the indication they are getting off then it is a very minor issue. There are also induction loops deaf passengers can link to. In addition a lot of buses still retain the actual manufacturer installed indicator. Besides who just assumes someone else has pressed the bell? The point is it really isn’t a major issue or major concern.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 8, 2024 15:57:48 GMT
So legal requirements are minor in your book. Good job you're not in charge of bus operations. Is the actual bus stopping sign a requirement? Surely the requirement is the notification on the driver's dash? Sometimes the notification on the dashboard in the cab can fail but it is a very rare thing. Overall cl54 has a point. TFL is responsible for the iBus system and getting faults fixed. I remember when I was driving T294 on Route 160 and the I could see the reflection at night the bus stopping sign would not go off. The man wanted to get off at Fiveways and gave me a whole load of abuse and did not ring the bell but when I saw that the sign was showing that and the bell was not pressed I reported it. He ended up letting himself off and I was going to let him off anyways was also disabled. So overall a working system should be in operation. The internal manufacturer one is also very useful especially on Enviro 400. Over The Next week T294 was fixed because I had it the very next week.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 18:59:31 GMT
Is the actual bus stopping sign a requirement? Surely the requirement is the notification on the driver's dash? Sometimes the notification on the dashboard in the cab can fail but it is a very rare thing. Overall cl54 has a point. TFL is responsible for the iBus system and getting faults fixed. I remember when I was driving T294 on Route 160 and the I could see the reflection at night the bus stopping sign would not go off. The man wanted to get off at Fiveways and gave me a whole load of abuse and did not ring the bell but when I saw that the sign was showing that and the bell was not pressed I reported it. He ended up letting himself off and I was going to let him off anyways was also disabled. So overall a working system should be in operation. The internal manufacturer one is also very useful especially on Enviro 400. Over The Next week T294 was fixed because I had it the very next week.
So assuming you reported it over the radio as soon as you noticed it did they ask you to bring the bus out of service or tell you to just carry on?
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Post by cl54 on Jul 8, 2024 19:55:55 GMT
Sometimes the notification on the dashboard in the cab can fail but it is a very rare thing. Overall cl54 has a point. TFL is responsible for the iBus system and getting faults fixed. I remember when I was driving T294 on Route 160 and the I could see the reflection at night the bus stopping sign would not go off. The man wanted to get off at Fiveways and gave me a whole load of abuse and did not ring the bell but when I saw that the sign was showing that and the bell was not pressed I reported it. He ended up letting himself off and I was going to let him off anyways was also disabled. So overall a working system should be in operation. The internal manufacturer one is also very useful especially on Enviro 400. Over The Next week T294 was fixed because I had it the very next week.
So assuming you reported it over the radio as soon as you noticed it did they ask you to bring the bus out of service or tell you to just carry on? Multiple wrongs don't make you right. Leon Daniels is a well respected director of RATP. He confirmed what should happen. The bus should be subbed at the earliest opportunity. The same is true of buses running with defective LED displays.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 8, 2024 20:07:00 GMT
Sometimes the notification on the dashboard in the cab can fail but it is a very rare thing. Overall cl54 has a point. TFL is responsible for the iBus system and getting faults fixed. I remember when I was driving T294 on Route 160 and the I could see the reflection at night the bus stopping sign would not go off. The man wanted to get off at Fiveways and gave me a whole load of abuse and did not ring the bell but when I saw that the sign was showing that and the bell was not pressed I reported it. He ended up letting himself off and I was going to let him off anyways was also disabled. So overall a working system should be in operation. The internal manufacturer one is also very useful especially on Enviro 400. Over The Next week T294 was fixed because I had it the very next week.
So assuming you reported it over the radio as soon as you noticed it did they ask you to bring the bus out of service or tell you to just carry on? No I reported it to both the garage manager and the engineering manager hence why it was fixed so quickly. Why would there be any need to take it out of service your actually stupid… In addition was there any need to use the term jobsworth in one of your earlier posts?
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 20:11:19 GMT
So assuming you reported it over the radio as soon as you noticed it did they ask you to bring the bus out of service or tell you to just carry on? Multiple wrongs don't make you right. Leon Daniels is a well respected director of RATP. He confirmed what should happen. The bus should be subbed at the earliest opportunity. The same is true of buses running with defective LED displays. Didn’t you block me?
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 20:14:16 GMT
So assuming you reported it over the radio as soon as you noticed it did they ask you to bring the bus out of service or tell you to just carry on? No I reported it to both the garage manager and the engineering manager hence why it was fixed so quickly. Why would there be any need to take it out of service your actually stupid… In addition was there any need to use the term jobsworth in one of your earlier posts? Thus proving my entire point that the bus wouldn’t need to be subbed out and could continue potentially for the entire day before being added to the maintenance schedule. 👍 Yes, jobsworth is the appropriate term.
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