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Post by Dad91 on Sept 11, 2024 19:12:34 GMT
My money is still on the 151 going hybrid with the 57 keeping the ones AL took and the 80 taking the remaining allocation from Q. The 80 and 151 could then swap garages leaving A as a fully EV garage on paper. It wouldn’t be the worst thing and unlike a lot of EV contracts now the 151 isn’t massively inflated so the cost difference isn’t huge for the public purse. Plausible, but that only kicks the can down the road, also doesn’t A need a certain amount of hybrids for the evenings/93’s night runs? Haven’t fully kept up with what’s going on in Sutton land tbh 57 fully Ees buses is it from 151 wouldn't be better 57 be electric correct me if am wrong electric buses meant for 151
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 11, 2024 19:18:37 GMT
I understand however, the routing I proposed allows the 170 to still serve these areas of Battersea and also have more taller buses to run it (hopefully not Streetlites). Here's what I proposed. View AttachmentI believe that routing is only possible in one direction due to part of the road being one way, and it would require shorter buses due to parked cars and the tight turn from Battersea High St to Gwynne Road, so it wouldn't be feasible to divert the 170 that way. You are quite right. Where Battersea High Street turns into Battersea Square there is a restriction to 7.5 tonne vehicles and buses under 8 passengers. Not to mention that the turn from Battersea Square/Battersea Church Road would be nearly impossible in a 10.8m bus. TfL should really look into a long term feasibility study with Wandsworth council about lowering the road to enable taller vehicles to operate through. It could also aid RRP services as well.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 11, 2024 19:19:20 GMT
Plausible, but that only kicks the can down the road, also doesn’t A need a certain amount of hybrids for the evenings/93’s night runs? Haven’t fully kept up with what’s going on in Sutton land tbh 57 fully Ees buses is it from 151 wouldn't be better 57 be electric correct me if am wrong electric buses meant for 151 What?!
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Post by WH241 on Sept 11, 2024 19:19:47 GMT
Go Ahead can't manage a full LT allocation on the 5 yet as soon as schools are back numerous LTs appear on those routes. It's disappointing how diesel E400s have also increased in numbers after the tender renewal. Seems the forum does get read. E400s seemed to have stopped appearing on the 5 with just LTs and Hybrids allocated a couple of days after my post.
No doubt E400s will be back tomorrow after posting this
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 11, 2024 20:00:14 GMT
57 fully Ees buses is it from 151 wouldn't be better 57 be electric correct me if am wrong electric buses meant for 151 What?! Out of interest where are the Ee's from the 151 as in effective everything required for the 353, Sutton routes, 213, part 57 and 40/185/262 is now delivered. What route are they being used on 'temporarily'?
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 11, 2024 20:07:41 GMT
Out of interest where are the Ee's from the 151 as in effective everything required for the 353, Sutton routes, 213, part 57 and 40/185/262 is now delivered. What route are they being used on 'temporarily'? Technically the 151s allocation is being used on the 213 and still at A. It’s actually the 213s Ee172-186 that are mostly elsewhere. Ee172-176 are at Q, 177/178 replaced delayed 99-100 which are now at AL where 178-186 are also housed. Incidentally there is a very minor difference in the 353s batch that only a handful of the A batch has. Above the drivers window there a lipped bar that on the A examples is black giving the appearance of a larger driver window. On the 353s examples this bar is red meaning it perfectly aligns with the rest of the windows. Check it next time you see them, it bugs my ocd every time.
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Post by abellion on Sept 11, 2024 20:08:02 GMT
It was enough of a deal for residents to complain, although the route you proposed using Gwynne Road appears to be different to what TfL did. “ The 170’s route covers keys areas of SW18 which are not serviced particularly well by tube or overground rail. So vital is the service, that when part of the route was suddenly withdrawn just before Christmas 2017, over 800 residents signed a petition in just a few days to get the route reinstated. The problem arose when TfL replaced the old style single decker bus throughout the route with a newer model which couldn’t safely fit under the rail bridge on Lombard Road. The 170 completely disappeared from the Lombard Road, Vicarage Crescent, Battersea Church Road area and was diverted via Battersea Bridge Road and Prince of Wales Drive until January 2018 when TfL agreed to reinstate the old style buses. “ - from the WandsworthSW18 I understand however, the routing I proposed allows the 170 to still serve these areas of Battersea and also have more taller buses to run it (hopefully not Streetlites). Here's what I proposed. View AttachmentIf that was possible TfL could have just done that in the first place instead of removing the 170 entirely from multiple backstreets. I think someone mentioned that the WS can technically fit under the bridge anyway but the clearance is lower than what is physically possible but I can’t remember exactly
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Post by DW221 on Sept 11, 2024 20:59:08 GMT
Go Ahead can't manage a full LT allocation on the 5 yet as soon as schools are back numerous LTs appear on those routes. It's disappointing how diesel E400s have also increased in numbers after the tender renewal. Seems the forum does get read. E400s seemed to have stopped appearing on the 5 with just LTs and Hybrids allocated a couple of days after my post.
No doubt E400s will be back tomorrow after posting this
Overall doesnt really matter too much as long as theres buses on the route. At the end of the day its still majority LT and the average person wont care as long as it takes them from A to B. From an enthusiast pov nothing wrong with having more variety on the route especially diesels!
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Post by lj61nwc on Sept 11, 2024 21:08:23 GMT
The 151 has been using the demo for quite a while so its possible I guess but I'd still be more inclined to think they will ultimately need to find a chosen bus for routes that can't take 10.9m ones and the E400EV is more likely to be that. Yes GAL seem to have given Wright a very wide berth since the last batch of WSDs came in, it was reported they were having issues with Wright like several operators, and that’s obviously been enough to deter them from ever going back since. I do winder if we might see the odd batch of Kites* from GAL though, seems a wild suggestion but the method in my madness is that they’ll need to order some single deckers in the interim, between now where the BYD/ADL E200 isn’t available anymore, and when the new ADL E200EV comes in, as it doesn’t look like BYD are doing an integral single decker. - *unless they go for a BZL as a stop-gap vehicle It is available for customers who want it. ADL know they can't shut production yet otherwise they'll be losing customers to other companies
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 11, 2024 21:09:49 GMT
Out of interest where are the Ee's from the 151 as in effective everything required for the 353, Sutton routes, 213, part 57 and 40/185/262 is now delivered. What route are they being used on 'temporarily'? Technically the 151s allocation is being used on the 213 and still at A. It’s actually the 213s Ee172-186 that are mostly elsewhere. Ee172-176 are at Q, 177/178 replaced delayed 99-100 which are now at AL where 178-186 are also housed. Incidentally there is a very minor difference in the 353s batch that only a handful of the A batch has. Above the drivers window there a lipped bar that on the A examples is black giving the appearance of a larger driver window. On the 353s examples this bar is red meaning it perfectly aligns with the rest of the windows. Check it next time you see them, it bugs my ocd every time. I Will do. Didn't the 353 jump the que of the Sutton routes as originally Sutton was before the 353?
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Post by WH241 on Sept 11, 2024 21:17:38 GMT
Seems the forum does get read. E400s seemed to have stopped appearing on the 5 with just LTs and Hybrids allocated a couple of days after my post.
No doubt E400s will be back tomorrow after posting this
Overall doesnt really matter too much as long as theres buses on the route. At the end of the day its still majority LT and the average person wont care as long as it takes them from A to B. From an enthusiast pov nothing wrong with having more variety on the route especially diesels! I have to disagree as other operators generally manage to at least allocate the correct type of buses even if not those allocated on paper. It wasn’t too bad prior to the tender renewal but the route is now a full LT route. What makes me laugh is they send out LTs on school routes. Others are entitled to disagree with me but this is my personal opinion.
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Post by atb123 on Sept 11, 2024 21:28:40 GMT
A BYD BD11 has been spotted on a low-loader in Superloop colours. Presumably one for the SL4 which mustn't be far off starting now. I'm now going to predict the 100 BYDs will be for 129, SL4, 22, 88 and 473. Would the numbers add up? 473 has been confirmed to have the E400 cities. I do agree that it does match the above 4 pvrs of 22/N22, 88, 129 and SL4, but instead of 473, it would be the 321, with that it would match the 100 BYDs potentially being ordered by GAL. They would be 3 spare, which could be either used as spares or could be an opportunity to allocate to school work
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Post by Dad91 on Sept 11, 2024 21:45:59 GMT
Out of interest where are the Ee's from the 151 as in effective everything required for the 353, Sutton routes, 213, part 57 and 40/185/262 is now delivered. What route are they being used on 'temporarily'? Technically the 151s allocation is being used on the 213 and still at A. It’s actually the 213s Ee172-186 that are mostly elsewhere. Ee172-176 are at Q, 177/178 replaced delayed 99-100 which are now at AL where 178-186 are also housed. Incidentally there is a very minor difference in the 353s batch that only a handful of the A batch has. Above the drivers window there a lipped bar that on the A examples is black giving the appearance of a larger driver window. On the 353s examples this bar is red meaning it perfectly aligns with the rest of the windows. Check it next time you see them, it bugs my ocd every time. 57 Full Ees what buses they using
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Post by WH241 on Sept 11, 2024 21:46:17 GMT
I'm now going to predict the 100 BYDs will be for 129, SL4, 22, 88 and 473. Would the numbers add up? 473 has been confirmed to have the E400 cities. I do agree that it does match the above 4 pvrs of 22/N22, 88, 129 and SL4, but instead of 473, it would be the 321, with that it would match the 100 BYDs potentially being ordered by GAL. They would be 3 spare, which could be either used as spares or could be an opportunity to allocate to school work Where was the 473 confirmed? I am doubtful as not a single electric has worked the route since the 262 gained them.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 11, 2024 21:48:26 GMT
473 has been confirmed to have the E400 cities. I do agree that it does match the above 4 pvrs of 22/N22, 88, 129 and SL4, but instead of 473, it would be the 321, with that it would match the 100 BYDs potentially being ordered by GAL. They would be 3 spare, which could be either used as spares or could be an opportunity to allocate to school work Where was the 473 confirmed? I am doubtful as not a single electric has worked the route since the 262 gained them. Plus as was said earlier I can't see why an order wouldn't have been confirmed/delivered along with the 262.
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