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Post by bustavane on Jan 30, 2022 19:41:34 GMT
Because tfl is out of step with national law and National Rail, and Khan is a self publicist (ask anyone who has dealings with him professionally). The science is not conclusive on the benefits of masks, so they should not be a condition of carriage. Enough reasons? One might argue that national rail and the law is wrong (nothing conclusive you said....).
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 30, 2022 19:52:23 GMT
Because tfl is out of step with national law and National Rail, and Khan is a self publicist (ask anyone who has dealings with him professionally). The science is not conclusive on the benefits of masks, so they should not be a condition of carriage. Enough reasons? Can you point me in the direction of a peer reviews Scientific paper which backs up this theory?
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Post by ronnie on Jan 30, 2022 21:12:10 GMT
G1 is actually a surprisingly decent route when it isn't wildly indirect (e.g. Streatham - Tooting, Clapham South/Wandsworth Common - Garratt Lane). The buses can get good speeds and are quite fun dipping and darting around traffic-free residential roads, I definitely found it nicer to use between Streatham and Tooting over overcrowded 57s/333s tediously stopping at every stop... are there any other good routes that are like this? The single decker routes in the 3xx are quite good and quite indirect (most of them) 300, 325, 376, 386 are prime examples!
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Post by vjaska on Jan 30, 2022 22:42:01 GMT
G1 is actually a surprisingly decent route when it isn't wildly indirect (e.g. Streatham - Tooting, Clapham South/Wandsworth Common - Garratt Lane). The buses can get good speeds and are quite fun dipping and darting around traffic-free residential roads, I definitely found it nicer to use between Streatham and Tooting over overcrowded 57s/333s tediously stopping at every stop... are there any other good routes that are like this? The 322 is quite nice, it also uses an indirect route (Crystal Palace- Gipsy Hill- West Norwood - Tulse Hill - Herne Hill- Brixton - Clapham North - Clapham Common) much better than the 3's LT's between Crystal Palace and Brixton It's an interesting route - was a.....ahem.....experience under Connex & Travel London when it ran from Elephant to Crystal Palace but the excellent 2005 changes to the 196, 322 & 355 allowed the 322 to settle into a far more reliable routing.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 30, 2022 23:07:59 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type.
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Post by bustavane on Jan 31, 2022 1:05:28 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. 410 down Davison Road (and Towpath Way and Christie Drive double runs) in Croydon?
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Post by kmkcheng on Jan 31, 2022 3:03:20 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. Although just outside London, Sawyers Lane is a narrow single lane used by TfL school routes that serve Dame Alice Owen school. The double deckers can just about traverse it
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Post by vjaska on Jan 31, 2022 3:06:08 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. The section of the R8 around Downe is quite tight, R5/R10 south of Green Street Green goes down some tight country lanes and the section through Mickleham on the 465 can equally be tight, especially when every man and his dog is at Box Hill.
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Post by mb171 on Jan 31, 2022 6:47:43 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. Route 386 at Dursley Road / Holburne Rd, Kidbrooke is quite narrow, I'm surprised two buses can fit through there.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 31, 2022 7:23:30 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. There's a couple of tight roads in Debden for the 20. Surprised they can even fit
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Post by snowman on Jan 31, 2022 7:33:14 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. The 371 has a short single track section in Sandy Lane, Ham where a bridleway and cycle route cross
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 31, 2022 8:49:36 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. Pretty much half of the 336. No choice but to mount the pavement many roads between Catford and Downham. 450 Bensham Lane is tight.
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Post by thekbq14 on Feb 1, 2022 3:28:51 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. Said above but my guess would've been the R8 - Downe, 464 - Saltbox Hill, Jewels Hill and Sheepbarn Lane, then the R5/R10 - Cudham. These routes are timetabled with either one bus or where the buses doesn't meet in these tight sections
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 2, 2022 13:30:51 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know what the narrowest (or to your knowledge an extremely narrow) stretch of road a bus travels down in London is? I assume it's something on the W12 given its intense limitations on bus length/type. Said above but my guess would've been the R8 - Downe, 464 - Saltbox Hill, Jewels Hill and Sheepbarn Lane, then the R5/R10 - Cudham. These routes are timetabled with either one bus or where the buses doesn't meet in these tight sections Watery Lane between Crittall’s Corner and Queen Mary’s Hospital is very tight as well, so much so that it only uses it towards Bexleyheath. Going towards Orpington it uses the A20.
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Post by Paul on Feb 2, 2022 16:31:21 GMT
Said above but my guess would've been the R8 - Downe, 464 - Saltbox Hill, Jewels Hill and Sheepbarn Lane, then the R5/R10 - Cudham. These routes are timetabled with either one bus or where the buses doesn't meet in these tight sections Watery Lane between Crittall’s Corner and Queen Mary’s Hospital is very tight as well, so much so that it only uses it towards Bexleyheath. Going towards Orpington it uses the A20. I think the main reason for using Watery Lane in the Sidcup direction is simply to avoid the ridiculous daily peak time traffic on the A20 slip road. The only issue with using Watery Lane in both directions is it would be nigh on impossible getting out at the B&Q end! Watery Lane on the B14 always reminds me of when I had just one American family on my bus. It was dark (so you could see if there was any traffic coming) so I let the bus get up a little bit of speed and the younger members of said family started whooping and cheering and saying ‘go on driver! This is so cool!’ I wonder what they would have made of Cudham Lane on the R5/R10?!
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