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Post by martynl on Jul 19, 2022 22:29:29 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please.
1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either?
2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon?
3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago?
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Post by Paul on Jul 20, 2022 0:17:22 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please. 1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either? 2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon? 3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago? I can answer 2 for you - no. Deckers are banned on Summer Sundays to the extent that every duty card has ‘Double deckers must not be used’ printed on them (even the straight through duty that doesn’t do any Chartwell trips!). The trees on the approach to Chartwell are just to far grown to allow deckers without substantial removal and that’s never going to happen Theoretically, cutting the trees back between Keston and Downe would allow deckers to run on the 146 but I doubt it would ever happen. Having not been out that way for many years I don’t know what the tree situation is though - it might just be like Chartwell and the trees are too firmly entrenched to be cut back or removed. There are plenty of single door buses available at TB anyway - the only reason the 246 sees the occasional decker working is when the regular buses are being fixed. And it’s not like the 146 suffers with overloading and leaving people behind!
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Post by rjbarrett5 on Jul 20, 2022 0:19:22 GMT
When will the results of the consultation be published?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 20, 2022 7:34:09 GMT
When will the results of the consultation be published? I assume you mean the central London consultation. This was extended until the 7th August so will be several weeks after this date. I imagine it could take sometime for TfL to publish the results because of the scale of changes and amount of interest from the public.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 20, 2022 7:54:51 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please. 1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either? 2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon? 3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago? It may be that those buses don't have blinds for the 126? I'd be amazed if a double decker appeared on the 146, not just trees but the narrow roads and in crew operation days some drivers were reluctant to take RMs out on the route as they're slightly larger than RTs.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 20, 2022 8:34:27 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please. 1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either? 2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon? 3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago? The 61 Reg EHs have been used on the 208. 126 is on the blinds as well as 51 from when it was at MB
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Post by martynl on Jul 20, 2022 12:03:33 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please. 1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either? 2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon? 3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago? The 61 Reg EHs have been used on the 208. 126 is on the blinds as well as 51 from when it was at MB Thanks for the info. Yes, I had seen that two of the 61 EH's had had outings on the 208 but what I find strange is that MB's 61 reg E's, such as E96, E208 & E227 appear on the route more regularly. I'm still hoping for a decker to Chartwell on the 246 so any info would be useful. Finally, is there a definitive listing of what the letter codes stand for for the different operators? Such as VW and TEH at Metroline as opposed to E and WVL at Go-Ahead. Also how come all operators refer to NBFL's as LT?
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 20, 2022 16:26:03 GMT
The 61 Reg EHs have been used on the 208. 126 is on the blinds as well as 51 from when it was at MB Thanks for the info. Yes, I had seen that two of the 61 EH's had had outings on the 208 but what I find strange is that MB's 61 reg E's, such as E96, E208 & E227 appear on the route more regularly. I'm still hoping for a decker to Chartwell on the 246 so any info would be useful. Finally, is there a definitive listing of what the letter codes stand for for the different operators? Such as VW and TEH at Metroline as opposed to E and WVL at Go-Ahead. Also how come all operators refer to NBFL's as LT? LT is used universally as they are owned by TfL. For other types: Bus type | Metroline
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| RATP | Arriva | Sullivan | ADL E200 8.9m | (DES) | SE | SDE | EN / ENN | - | ADL E200 9.6m | DEM | SE | DDE | ENR / ENN | AE | ADL E200 10.2m | DE | SE | DE / DME | ENL | AE | ADL E200 10.9m | DEL | SE | DLE | ENX | AE | ADL E200 11.5m | - | - | DXE | - | - | BYD/ADL E200EV 9.6m | - | SEe | - | - | - | BYD/ADL E200EV 10.2m | - | SEe | BME | - | - | BYD/ADL E200EV 10.9m | BEL | SEe | BE | - | - | BYD/ADL E200EV 12m | - | SEe | - | - | - | ADL E400 | TE | E | ADE | T | E | ADL E400 Hybrid | TEH | EH | ADH | HA / HT | - | BYD/ADL E400EV City | BDE | Ee | BCE | EA | - | Volvo B5LH Wright | VWH | WHV | VH | HV | - | Volvo B5LH MCV | VMH | MHV | VMH | - | - | Volvo B9TL Wright | VW | WVL | VDW | (VLW) | WVL | VDL DB300 Wright | - | - | (WN) | DW | - | Mercedes Benz Citaro 10.6m | - | (MEC) | MCM | - | - | Mercedes Benz Citaro 12m | - | MEC | MCL | - | - | Optare Solo SR 7.9m | OS | - | - | - | - | Wright Streetlite WF 8.9m | - | WS | (WS) | - | - | Wright Streetlite DF 9.5m | - | - | - | SLS | SL | Wright Streetlite DF 10.8m | (STL) | WS | WLS | - | SL | Wright Streetlite DF 11.5m | - | WS | - | - | - | Wright Streetdeck Diesel | - | WSD | - | SW | - | Wright Streetdeck Hybrid | - | - | WH | (HW) | - | Wright Streetdeck Hydrogen
| WHD | - | - | - | - | Optare MetroCity Diesel 9.9m | - | OM | (OM) | - | - | Optare MetroCity EV 10.1m | - | - | (OCE) | EMC | - | Optare MetroDecker EV
| OME | Me | OME | - | - |
Brackets denote codes which were once used but no longer are as vehicles are no longer part of their fleets. Go Ahead add an N to the end of fleetcodes for vehicles not new to them, for WVLs this N replaces the L. At all operators there is no distinction between MMC and pre-MMC vehicles, nor G2 and G3 Volvo hybrids.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 20, 2022 16:47:24 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please. 1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either? 2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon? 3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago? EH20 is on the 126 at the moment!
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Post by martynl on Jul 20, 2022 23:24:45 GMT
Hi, just a quick couple of questions please. 1. MB has four 61 reg EH's (16, 17, 19 & 20) but they've never to my knowledge been used on the 126 which does sometimes have deckers. Why is this and why is the 208 not often run by them either? 2. Is TB planning on using deckers on any Sunday excursions to Chartwell anytime soon? 3. If the trees were lopped between Keston and Downe could TB theoretically run deckers on the 146 as they did decades ago? EH20 is on the 126 at the moment! Wow, first time for everything! Perhaps the staff at MB follow this thread and decided to send out EH20 on the 126 to prove the number was on the blinds! And to Quoll662, thanks for the extensive info. So sometimes the letters aren't initials for words ie Enviro 400's at Arriva being 'T' with the T just an identifyer for the type of bus. Also, I had a look at the run from Westerham to Chartwell on a Youtube video and the route is full of low hanging tree branches so I don't expect to see deckers on the 246 out that way anytime soon!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2022 2:07:11 GMT
EH20 is on the 126 at the moment! Wow, first time for everything! Perhaps the staff at MB follow this thread and decided to send out EH20 on the 126 to prove the number was on the blinds! And to Quoll662, thanks for the extensive info. So sometimes the letters aren't initials for words ie Enviro 400's at Arriva being 'T' with the T just an identifyer for the type of bus. Also, I had a look at the run from Westerham to Chartwell on a Youtube video and the route is full of low hanging tree branches so I don't expect to see deckers on the 246 out that way anytime soon! Paul already gave the reply your looking for regarding the 246 on the previous page - he works at TB so will know better than anyone on here
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Post by WH241 on Jul 21, 2022 8:26:36 GMT
I was in central London yesterday evening and was really pleased to see how busy tour buses were. The Stagecoach ones seem particularly busy are they still priced competitively compared to the other companies?
I also noticed that the day routes seemed to be running later than usual? Around 7.30pm and also the night tours were starting (Golden Tours).
Really nice to see tourists back after the last few years.
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Post by abellion on Jul 21, 2022 14:34:24 GMT
I was in central London yesterday evening and was really pleased to see how busy tour buses were. The Stagecoach ones seem particularly busy are they still priced competitively compared to the other companies? I also noticed that the day routes seemed to be running later than usual? Around 7.30pm and also the night tours were starting (Golden Tours). Really nice to see tourists back after the last few years. I was on an 87 that picked up nobody but me between Aldwych and Vauxhall and passed by multiple rammed tourbuses, it is quite awkward having full top decks looking across at you whilst sitting in traffic!
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Post by COBO on Jul 21, 2022 18:30:03 GMT
Why does it always feel like your waiting for a long time for the 114. 😳
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Post by martynl on Jul 21, 2022 22:36:34 GMT
Wow, first time for everything! Perhaps the staff at MB follow this thread and decided to send out EH20 on the 126 to prove the number was on the blinds! And to Quoll662, thanks for the extensive info. So sometimes the letters aren't initials for words ie Enviro 400's at Arriva being 'T' with the T just an identifyer for the type of bus. Also, I had a look at the run from Westerham to Chartwell on a Youtube video and the route is full of low hanging tree branches so I don't expect to see deckers on the 246 out that way anytime soon! Paul already gave the reply your looking for regarding the 246 on the previous page - he works at TB so will know better than anyone on here Thanks for the info and apologies to Paul for missing his very informative reply. As an aside I well remember the 138 with Titans in the 80's but I suppose with the re-routing around Coney Hall we won't see deckers on that route either. Still a good trick is to watch a full to bursting 138 leave Bromley South and wait two minutes for the usefully double decked 638 which is usually practically empty!
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