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Post by vjaska on Jan 16, 2018 20:09:48 GMT
There’s a number of them that I think are very appropriate.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2018 22:00:47 GMT
Fairly typical stuff from Ed Jefferson if you've ever seen his tweets. Must admit I did LOL at some of them.
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Post by londonbusexplorer on Jan 17, 2018 19:52:52 GMT
Ok so I have come up with an interesting theory about if route branding came across all of London. Looking at the new maps that have rolled out across the city, I think I have managed to find out what colour each route would receive. Here is my evidence. Looking at the map in Uxbridge, I noticed that the 222 was red, the U1 was gold, the U3 was light pink and the U5 was purple. After travelling to West Drayton, I observed that the routes had the same colours attached. I know two places isn't enough evidence so I went to Hounslow West and found out the 222 was also red, and I went to Harmondsworth and found out the U3 retained the same colour. The 350 also retained its orange at both Harmondsworth and West Drayton. Soon, I plan to head out and collect more evidence for this theory but not using the simplest colours for each route is enough evidence in my opinion. Also the new map brings an end to "607 to Bromley North." I will also mention there are 3 Ruislip Stations on the Uxbridge map, 2 Heathrow Centrals and they didn't finish the 607 the whole way to White City! I hope this theory is good and more evidence shall come soon.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2018 20:22:05 GMT
Ok so I have come up with an interesting theory about if route branding came across all of London. Looking at the new maps that have rolled out across the city, I think I have managed to find out what colour each route would receive. Here is my evidence. Looking at the map in Uxbridge, I noticed that the 222 was red, the U1 was gold, the U3 was light pink and the U5 was purple. After travelling to West Drayton, I observed that the routes had the same colours attached. I know two places isn't enough evidence so I went to Hounslow West and found out the 222 was also red, and I went to Harmondsworth and found out the U3 retained the same colour. The 350 also retained its orange at both Harmondsworth and West Drayton. Soon, I plan to head out and collect more evidence for this theory but not using the simplest colours for each route is enough evidence in my opinion. Also the new map brings an end to "607 to Bromley North." I will also mention there are 3 Ruislip Stations on the Uxbridge map, 2 Heathrow Centrals and they didn't finish the 607 the whole way to White City! I hope this theory is good and more evidence shall come soon. Sorry to spoil your theorising but Citymetric looked at this a while ago. www.citymetric.com/transport/how-many-colours-would-you-need-make-london-s-bus-network-more-comprehensible-3015
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Post by rugbyref on Jan 17, 2018 22:30:47 GMT
I think I have experienced the full set now. Bus is about to move announcements 6 seconds after setting off, when at 20 mph, as we are braking for the next stop, and even (amazingly) on one occasion, just before we set off!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 10:33:46 GMT
The announcements are triggered 20 seconds after the doors open at the stop. (No logic in this.)
This is allow for the next stop announcement at 10 seconds.
This will never work.
Should be linked to the door close button if anything.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 19, 2018 11:20:15 GMT
Should be linked to the door close button if anything. The latest BBC London report on TV interviewed someone from TfL and they said that this is what they will do
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 13:18:44 GMT
I don’t see why it couldn’t come immediately after the route/destination announcement and instead saying “please hold on when the bus starts to move”. Having a 20 second time delay is stupid and should’ve been easily detected within foresight.
And I assume this message plays even when drivers change over, which can take several minutes? Is there no message cancellation option without interfering with the systems general auto operation?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2018 14:08:24 GMT
I don’t see why it couldn’t come immediately after the route/destination announcement and instead saying “please hold on when the bus starts to move”. Having a 20 second time delay is stupid and should’ve been easily detected within foresight. And I assume this message plays even when drivers change over, which can take several minutes? Is there no message cancellation option without interfering with the systems general auto operation? They do come not longer after the destination & number has been announced - the easiest way to solve as suggested by others is just cut the message to "hold tight please" which would then make sense regardless of whether the bus is already moving or not. Maybe people don't understand what "hold tight please" means because otherwise I can't fathom why TfL never went with that option. All these big companies be it TfL or even clothing retailers like H&M surely discuss the negatives of taking certain actions so that criticisms can be mitigated to a certain extent.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 19, 2018 14:11:59 GMT
I don’t see why it couldn’t come immediately after the route/destination announcement and instead saying “please hold on when the bus starts to move”. Having a 20 second time delay is stupid and should’ve been easily detected within foresight. And I assume this message plays even when drivers change over, which can take several minutes? Is there no message cancellation option without interfering with the systems general auto operation? What starts the message? Common sense says it should either start when the 'door close' button is presssed or when 'Drive' is selected on the gearbox?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 14:17:39 GMT
I don’t see why it couldn’t come immediately after the route/destination announcement and instead saying “please hold on when the bus starts to move”. Having a 20 second time delay is stupid and should’ve been easily detected within foresight. And I assume this message plays even when drivers change over, which can take several minutes? Is there no message cancellation option without interfering with the systems general auto operation? What starts the message? Common sense says it should either start when the 'door close' button is presssed or when 'Drive' is selected on the gearbox? The time delay was in response to another forum member who said it. TfL rarely use common sense it seems
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 19, 2018 18:25:34 GMT
I don’t see why it couldn’t come immediately after the route/destination announcement and instead saying “please hold on when the bus starts to move”. Having a 20 second time delay is stupid and should’ve been easily detected within foresight. And I assume this message plays even when drivers change over, which can take several minutes? Is there no message cancellation option without interfering with the systems general auto operation? They do come not longer after the destination & number has been announced - the easiest way to solve as suggested by others is just cut the message to " hold tight please" which would then make sense regardless of whether the bus is already moving or not. Maybe people don't understand what "hold tight please" means because otherwise I can't fathom why TfL never went with that option. All these big companies be it TfL or even clothing retailers like H&M surely discuss the negatives of taking certain actions so that criticisms can be mitigated to a certain extent. In this day and age of #MeToo, what do you suggest that passengers hold tight onto? We need a whole new thread for the H&M debacle. I'd like to believe managers on drugs with no common sense, foresight and a salary that leaves them out of touch with the rest of the world; just blindly agree to whatever rubbish that's been presented to them. It was no mistake, especially when the white/caucasion kid has a jumper on the website with the word Survivor on it. Social conscious is lost when money is involved. I'm still outraged over the #CookforSyria campaign during the Christmas period; hashtag stuff your face & endulge in gluttony while people (paticularly kids) die from malnutrition and hunger on a daily basis, is a more appropriate strapline. Deep breaths PB, deep breaths...
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Post by Curtailment on Jan 19, 2018 20:19:19 GMT
What starts the message? Common sense says it should either start when the 'door close' button is presssed or when 'Drive' is selected on the gearbox? No one goes into neutral at bus stops, so not that (there are a couple of exceptions: on buses with very harsh retarders or downshifts, it'll let you stop wholly on the brake which can be a lot more gentle / comfortable for passengers; and on stop/start Enviros, it inexplicably makes the engine stay on (if that's important to you for some reason) - but it's certainly not common behaviour that I've noticed on many bus rides, not even on SPs which vibrate massively when stopped as the engine tries to fight the handbrake )
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Post by rugbyref on Jan 19, 2018 21:45:30 GMT
Driver on the R1 today waited until the message before setting off from each stop. It cut out the complaints about stupid timing of announcement, but did mean the bus ran late.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 19, 2018 23:06:10 GMT
Driver on the R1 today waited until the message before setting off from each stop. It cut out the complaints about stupid timing of announcement, but did mean the bus ran late. So that's a win then! - not.
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