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Post by snoggle on Aug 30, 2018 22:44:49 GMT
I am probably missing something really simple here but here goes! With all electric buses I assume they have no diesel engine for back up? so the question is without any charging infrastructure installed yet (For example at Holloway) how do they move buses about in storage and carry out type training?
I understand all the BYD single deckers do have a small diesel engine fitted to power things like saloon heating. Bizarre but there you go. Whether they can move the vehicle I don't know. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 31, 2018 0:17:40 GMT
One thing that I have noticed is that once the X140 is introduced, all the Express bus routes will be connected in some way: The X140 and 607 will interchange at Hayes, The Grapes The X140 and X26 will interchange at Heathrow Central The X26 and X68 will interchange at West Croydon Surely the 607 should be renumbered N207 to coincide with the the X routes? It just looks odd alongside the other express bus routes in London. I'll send you the bill for changing all the bus stop tiles, maps, timetables, etc   |
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 31, 2018 7:04:51 GMT
One thing that I have noticed is that once the X140 is introduced, all the Express bus routes will be connected in some way: The X140 and 607 will interchange at Hayes, The Grapes The X140 and X26 will interchange at Heathrow Central The X26 and X68 will interchange at West Croydon Surely the 607 should be renumbered N207 to coincide with the the X routes? It just looks odd alongside the other express bus routes in London. I'll send you the bill for changing all the bus stop tiles, maps, timetables, etc Exactly. Changing things because they look odd? |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 31, 2018 8:09:05 GMT
One thing that I have noticed is that once the X140 is introduced, all the Express bus routes will be connected in some way: The X140 and 607 will interchange at Hayes, The Grapes The X140 and X26 will interchange at Heathrow Central The X26 and X68 will interchange at West Croydon Surely the 607 should be renumbered N207 to coincide with the the X routes? It just looks odd alongside the other express bus routes in London. X207 shurely? *hic* It may look odd in a pan-London context, but the 607 route and number have been around since 1990, it is popular, well-used, and a large swathe of West London knows exactly what the 607 is - their express bus route. Also as mentioned the number has history, as it was the number of the trolleybus route that plied the same route and which was directly replaced by the 207 motorbus some thirty years earlier. Changing it purely for the sake of making it look neater would be a classic example of fixing summat that ain't broke. |
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Post by sid on Aug 31, 2018 8:24:46 GMT
One thing that I have noticed is that once the X140 is introduced, all the Express bus routes will be connected in some way: The X140 and 607 will interchange at Hayes, The Grapes The X140 and X26 will interchange at Heathrow Central The X26 and X68 will interchange at West Croydon Surely the 607 should be renumbered N207 to coincide with the the X routes? It just looks odd alongside the other express bus routes in London. X207 shurely? *hic* It may look odd in a pan-London context, but the 607 route and number have been around since 1990, it is popular, well-used, and a large swathe of West London knows exactly what the 607 is - their express bus route. Also as mentioned the number has history, as it was the number of the trolleybus route that plied the same route and which was directly replaced by the 207 motorbus some thirty years earlier. Changing it purely for the sake of making it look neater would be a classic example of fixing summat that ain't broke. The same could have been said about the 45A, the 68A, the 77A etc etc. |
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Post by redexpress on Aug 31, 2018 12:46:48 GMT
I am probably missing something really simple here but here goes! With all electric buses I assume they have no diesel engine for back up? so the question is without any charging infrastructure installed yet (For example at Holloway) how do they move buses about in storage and carry out type training?
I understand all the BYD single deckers do have a small diesel engine fitted to power things like saloon heating. Bizarre but there you go. Whether they can move the vehicle I don't know. My understanding is that it's just a diesel-powered heater, so no connection at all to the driveline. BYD were talking about moving to pure electric in the near future, including retrofitting the existing fleet with electric heaters. No idea how far they've got with that.
I believe the Yutong is already fully electric including the heating.
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Post by redbus on Aug 31, 2018 19:28:27 GMT
One thing that I have noticed is that once the X140 is introduced, all the Express bus routes will be connected in some way: The X140 and 607 will interchange at Hayes, The Grapes The X140 and X26 will interchange at Heathrow Central The X26 and X68 will interchange at West Croydon Surely the 607 should be renumbered N207 to coincide with the the X routes? It just looks odd alongside the other express bus routes in London. X207 shurely? *hic* It may look odd in a pan-London context, but the 607 route and number have been around since 1990, it is popular, well-used, and a large swathe of West London knows exactly what the 607 is - their express bus route. Also as mentioned the number has history, as it was the number of the trolleybus route that plied the same route and which was directly replaced by the 207 motorbus some thirty years earlier. Changing it purely for the sake of making it look neater would be a classic example of fixing summat that ain't broke. I recollect that in the 1970s there were some express routes and they started with a '6'. The 616 comes to mind which was an express version of the 16. I presume the 607 is the survivor of this before the change to 'X' prefixed routes. No need to change the 607, would only sow confusion amongst the passengers. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 31, 2018 20:44:59 GMT
X207 shurely? *hic* It may look odd in a pan-London context, but the 607 route and number have been around since 1990, it is popular, well-used, and a large swathe of West London knows exactly what the 607 is - their express bus route. Also as mentioned the number has history, as it was the number of the trolleybus route that plied the same route and which was directly replaced by the 207 motorbus some thirty years earlier. Changing it purely for the sake of making it look neater would be a classic example of fixing summat that ain't broke. I recollect that in the 1970s there were some express routes and they started with a '6'. The 616 comes to mind which was an express version of the 16. I presume the 607 is the survivor of this before the change to 'X' prefixed routes. No need to change the 607, would only sow confusion amongst the passengers. LT hoped the 615 and 616 would be precursors to many FLAT FARE services based on the Red Arrow model, operating into Central London from points a little further out (Poplar in the case of the 615 and Cricklewood in the case of the 616.) The flat fare aspect was as, or more, important than the 'express' bit, because the holding up of traffic by buses whose drivers had to wait while passengers boarded then paid was a huge concern. The 615 actually preceded the 616 by a month, but is hardly remembered now. It started at the same time in 1970 as the first conventionally operated (i.e. with graduated fares) omo route in the central area, the 70, which also saw the first of the SMS AEC Swifts allocated. I remember on the first Monday of operation joining a colleague from Bus Schedules after work to do a journey on both routes. The 70 carried a few passengers but the 615, which generally traced the 15, had none bar us. I think the route lasted a year, when it was put out of its misery. The experiment was not deemed a success, the 616 doing OK but Oxford Street, it was felt, could not really cope with opo at peak times in any great quantities, which view prevailed for decades after! Therefore I'd say the 607 doesn't fit into that model really, it being a coincidence/ historical reference point gaining this number. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 31, 2018 22:46:07 GMT
I recollect that in the 1970s there were some express routes and they started with a '6'. The 616 comes to mind which was an express version of the 16. I presume the 607 is the survivor of this before the change to 'X' prefixed routes. No need to change the 607, would only sow confusion amongst the passengers. I thought the 607 was a Hendy era Centrewest creation. He'd know about the history to see the obvious "pull" of that number with a section of potential users of the route. The rest, as they say, is history. He spotted a market niche waiting to filled and the route remains a big success. |
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Post by redbus on Aug 31, 2018 23:02:23 GMT
I recollect that in the 1970s there were some express routes and they started with a '6'. The 616 comes to mind which was an express version of the 16. I presume the 607 is the survivor of this before the change to 'X' prefixed routes. No need to change the 607, would only sow confusion amongst the passengers. I thought the 607 was a Hendy era Centrewest creation. He'd know about the history to see the obvious "pull" of that number with a section of potential users of the route. The rest, as they say, is history. He spotted a market niche waiting to filled and the route remains a big success. You are probably right (as usual  ). |
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 31, 2018 23:02:25 GMT
Lived in Halifax, but Huddesfield just down the road and nicer, for 4.5 years ... and still go up their regularly .. if you going less than 3 miles and 2 of you, get a cab it is cheaper! I don’t think there’s much in it between Halifax and Huddersfield. Nice part of the world. Zubin : for starters, if you want a decent bus ride, try the 184 over the Pennines to Manchester, or one of the routes down to Holmfirth. Sorry only just saw this! Might be a good alternative to TransPennine Express services if they're disrupted. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 1, 2018 0:21:01 GMT
I recollect that in the 1970s there were some express routes and they started with a '6'. The 616 comes to mind which was an express version of the 16. I presume the 607 is the survivor of this before the change to 'X' prefixed routes. No need to change the 607, would only sow confusion amongst the passengers. I thought the 607 was a Hendy era Centrewest creation. He'd know about the history to see the obvious "pull" of that number with a section of potential users of the route. The rest, as they say, is history. He spotted a market niche waiting to filled and the route remains a big success. It's a phenomenal success. Moderately short trip lengths and decent to high load factors seemingly all day, every day. West Londoners know and love their 607 - I even got amusing comments from people working in Westfield when I went in there for refreshments between trips. "Oh you drive the 607?! Very fast bus!", "So you need a very strong coffee to drive a route like that" and the like. I can't see it being renumbered anytime soon. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 1, 2018 15:09:25 GMT
Just been having a read of the TfL bus service planning guidelines. Clearly written at least 6 years ago and possibly earlier (despite the Aug 2012 date ref). I am left wondering how long these will survive. They are written with "get out" clauses to reflect the difficulties of the real world that can get in the way of strict compliance. It's clear to me that some of the aims set out do not make any sense whatsoever in the context of declining ridership, tight finances and the desire for a "simpler network". I suspect the so called "update" of the TfL's bus strategy (due later this year) will revise these guidelines to give the planners vastly more room to take out "dead wood" from the network. I have saved a copy of the document as knowing TfL they'll just remove it without warning and upload the replacement version. |
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Post by BusesInLondon on Sept 1, 2018 18:26:57 GMT
I don't know if this was discussed elsewhere but TFL had plenty of time to update the bus priority lane at Capitol Way in Colindale. How can they even go ahead with the merger of the 303/305?!?!
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Post by vjaska on Sept 1, 2018 22:35:40 GMT
I don't know if this was discussed elsewhere but TFL had plenty of time to update the bus priority lane at Capitol Way in Colindale. How can they even go ahead with the merger of the 303/305?!?! All depends on what happened when discussed with Brent. As for the second part, TfL did a similar thing with the 274 where the decker conversion has been delayed but the reduced frequency was still introduced so they'll pretty much go-ahead with things regardless of whether something has been completed or not. |
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