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Post by rugbyref on Jun 25, 2019 9:17:43 GMT
Harsh, or just working to rule? I have just been on an R1 that ignored potential passengers hailing the driver to stop in Orpington High Street. Yes, the stop was marked as closed, but there was already a decker stopped in the cage, no obvious reason for the closure, no dolly stop, and nearest alternative stops are 1/4 mile away. Comments?
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Post by rugbyref on Jun 25, 2019 9:21:20 GMT
I forgot to mention. There was no onboard announcement that ‘the next bus stop is closed’. Unusually nobody wished to debus there.
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Post by Pilot on Jun 25, 2019 18:22:19 GMT
Harsh, or just working to rule? I have just been on an R1 that ignored potential passengers hailing the driver to stop in Orpington High Street. Yes, the stop was marked as closed, but there was already a decker stopped in the cage, no obvious reason for the closure, no dolly stop, and nearest alternative stops are 1/4 mile away. Comments?
From drivers point of view, it's completely driver discretion what he/she does in such case. If bus stop stop is marked as closed technically by the book you're not supposed to serve it even if there is literally nothing happening. Closed is closed, and in most cases TFL put the signage 1-2 days before the 'works' of some sorts are due to commence.
I am not going to lie, on particular route today the TFL came and put stop is closed sign on both sides of the road and literally nothing has been going on there so I served the stop, just because 1. It wasn't on the garage NOE board, 2. I didn't know about it and it was unexpected and I didn't play announcement prior this stop so just had to serve it, but after that I didn't coming back.
I know your case is a bit different because of distance to next stop though but just thought I'd share my side of things.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 25, 2019 18:25:24 GMT
For the first time in nearly a year, I encountered a revenue inspector on a bus. The last time I encountered one was 23rd July last year on the 11. Today I got one on the 148. I was happy to see a revenue inspector, especially on an LT on which fare dodging is rife. The revenue inspector also caught some fare dodgers which was good to see. When he came over to me I told him I fully approved of his work and that targeting LTs was a good idea
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Post by Pilot on Jun 25, 2019 18:29:52 GMT
For the first time in nearly a year, I encountered a revenue inspector on a bus. The last time I encountered one was 23rd July last year on the 11. Today I got one on the 148. I was happy to see a revenue inspector, especially on an LT on which fare dodging is rife. The revenue inspector also caught some fare dodgers which was good to see. When he came over to me I told him I fully approved of his work and that targeting LTs was a good idea Lol, nice...my buddy on other bus said he saw inspector 3 times on his shift, 2 of which he never saw before.
I know this is a bus forum, but I use DLR more often and I gotta say, 3 out of 5 times I use DLR the inspector comes for ticket checks, just puts smile on my face tbh comparing to how rare it is to see them on buses.
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Post by george on Jun 25, 2019 18:30:00 GMT
For the first time in nearly a year, I encountered a revenue inspector on a bus. The last time I encountered one was 23rd July last year on the 11. Today I got one on the 148. I was happy to see a revenue inspector, especially on an LT on which fare dodging is rife. The revenue inspector also caught some fare dodgers which was good to see. When he came over to me I told him I fully approved of his work and that targeting LTs was a good idea I seem to always come across revenue inspectors when I'm on the buses. Two days in a row I got the same revenue inspectors on two different bus routes. First one was the 72 and the next day they was on the 493.
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Post by rugbyref on Jun 25, 2019 18:45:12 GMT
Recently I did 4 sectors on the tramlink in one day, and had revenue guys on 3 of the 4.
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Post by rugbyref on Jun 25, 2019 18:48:31 GMT
Thanks for the reasoned response. I understand that the driver cannot be criticised for abiding by the regulations. My main concern is the absence of a dolly, given the distances involved.
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Post by Pilot on Jun 25, 2019 19:00:53 GMT
Thanks for the reasoned response. I understand that the driver cannot be criticised for abiding by the regulations. My main concern is the absence of a dolly, given the distances involved. This is coming out of my arse pretty much but this is gonna be my guess...I think back in the 'old days' lolly stop was easy fix while some works were going on nearby the bus stop, but nowadays I think there is too many politics and insurances, laws whatever involved so to have a lolly stop there is really just a lot more to it than just placing it there, placing it by random kerb doesn't mean it's safe or justifiable because if anything happens then insurance companies won't cover it because they had no idea buses were serving 'temporary fake stop' which potentially wasn't even looked at properly by TFL. I seen temp loly stops which are wheelchair unfriendly but I won't go into detail there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 22:18:26 GMT
Harsh, or just working to rule? I have just been on an R1 that ignored potential passengers hailing the driver to stop in Orpington High Street. Yes, the stop was marked as closed, but there was already a decker stopped in the cage, no obvious reason for the closure, no dolly stop, and nearest alternative stops are 1/4 mile away. Comments?
From drivers point of view, it's completely driver discretion what he/she does in such case. If bus stop stop is marked as closed technically by the book you're not supposed to serve it even if there is literally nothing happening. Closed is closed, and in most cases TFL put the signage 1-2 days before the 'works' of some sorts are due to commence.
I am not going to lie, on particular route today the TFL came and put stop is closed sign on both sides of the road and literally nothing has been going on there so I served the stop, just because 1. It wasn't on the garage NOE board, 2. I didn't know about it and it was unexpected and I didn't play announcement prior this stop so just had to serve it, but after that I didn't coming back.
I know your case is a bit different because of distance to next stop though but just thought I'd share my side of things.
The problem with serving a closed stop is if something happens while you are serving that stop, eg. a passenger falls off the bus while getting off, you as a driver are in the poo. As a general rule, if the bus stop is hooded you shouldn't stop, and when drivers drive past closed stops, even with no obstruction, it's not cause we're being vindictive, rather covering our own arse.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 25, 2019 23:20:08 GMT
So more farce and reasons why buses never run to time (esp the poor 11)
I was walking from bank eastwards in the morning peak. There is a small set of roadworks going on near the junction of Threadneedle Street and old broad street. So there was 1 van parked for this on the road. All fine - except there was 1 more delivery van which chose to park in front of it, and another delivery van parked on the opposite side of the street (all on double yellows). The result? What should be 2 lanes eastbound and 1 lane westbound became 1 lane with a very tight turn (thanks to a small traffic island immediately before and after - no clue how the LTs on te 11 and 8 were managing).
So now 1 big truck comes along, struggles to make it through. It took a fair few minutes and by that time, traffic had built up on both sides. The truck had to turn right on to Bartholomew lane but the road was already full - so no space for it to turn. It soon became gridlocked and there was an immense cacophony of horns! Traffic stretched almost to London wall on old broad street, it was that bad
All causes Due to 2 inappropriately parked delivery vans!
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Post by busaholic on Jun 26, 2019 12:23:35 GMT
So more farce and reasons why buses never run to time (esp the poor 11) I was walking from bank eastwards in the morning peak. There is a small set of roadworks going on near the junction of Threadneedle Street and old broad street. So there was 1 van parked for this on the road. All fine - except there was 1 more delivery van which chose to park in front of it, and another delivery van parked on the opposite side of the street (all on double yellows). The result? What should be 2 lanes eastbound and 1 lane westbound became 1 lane with a very tight turn (thanks to a small traffic island immediately before and after - no clue how the LTs on te 11 and 8 were managing). So now 1 big truck comes along, struggles to make it through. It took a fair few minutes and by that time, traffic had built up on both sides. The truck had to turn right on to Bartholomew lane but the road was already full - so no space for it to turn. It soon became gridlocked and there was an immense cacophony of horns! Traffic stretched almost to London wall on old broad street, it was that bad All causes Due to 2 inappropriately parked delivery vans! A few well-publicised cases of tow trucks, impoundments and huge fines would be the quickest solution to all this. It used to happen, in Westminster at least,when general traffic flowed better than now! In the case of the City of London, there was a period after that I.R.A. bomb did so much damage that any car, van or lorry that stopped for more than 30 seconds other than in traffic or at lights was surrounded by armed police: this is no exaggeration, I saw it happen twice. Police used to man every road entrance to the City then, scrutinising each vehicle and driver. I'm not advocating that again, but there's a balance to be struck here!
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Post by ronnie on Jun 26, 2019 17:32:16 GMT
So more farce and reasons why buses never run to time (esp the poor 11) I was walking from bank eastwards in the morning peak. There is a small set of roadworks going on near the junction of Threadneedle Street and old broad street. So there was 1 van parked for this on the road. All fine - except there was 1 more delivery van which chose to park in front of it, and another delivery van parked on the opposite side of the street (all on double yellows). The result? What should be 2 lanes eastbound and 1 lane westbound became 1 lane with a very tight turn (thanks to a small traffic island immediately before and after - no clue how the LTs on te 11 and 8 were managing). So now 1 big truck comes along, struggles to make it through. It took a fair few minutes and by that time, traffic had built up on both sides. The truck had to turn right on to Bartholomew lane but the road was already full - so no space for it to turn. It soon became gridlocked and there was an immense cacophony of horns! Traffic stretched almost to London wall on old broad street, it was that bad All causes Due to 2 inappropriately parked delivery vans! A few well-publicised cases of tow trucks, impoundments and huge fines would be the quickest solution to all this. It used to happen, in Westminster at least,when general traffic flowed better than now! In the case of the City of London, there was a period after that I.R.A. bomb did so much damage that any car, van or lorry that stopped for more than 30 seconds other than in traffic or at lights was surrounded by armed police: this is no exaggeration, I saw it happen twice. Police used to man every road entrance to the City then, scrutinising each vehicle and driver. I'm not advocating that again, but there's a balance to be struck here! Forgot to mention it’s double yellows on that stretch throughout and this was at 9am The blight of cars parking on double yellows because there is no one to check / enforce fines / no cameras is getting out of hand. Near my home at crossharbour, there is a stretch of road (Limeharbour) which became twists and slopes upwards and had double yellows - but have seen up to 10 cars being parked there at various times of the day. Not only does it significantly reduce available road space, but is dangerous due to the slight kink and upward slope in the road. One literally has to be in the centre of the road before you can see southbound - and cars obviously drive well above the 20mph speed limit. It’s only after someone got killed that this is slowly coming to an end
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 26, 2019 20:56:21 GMT
Harsh, or just working to rule? I have just been on an R1 that ignored potential passengers hailing the driver to stop in Orpington High Street. Yes, the stop was marked as closed, but there was already a decker stopped in the cage, no obvious reason for the closure, no dolly stop, and nearest alternative stops are 1/4 mile away. Comments? Even if the works have not started or have finished i will not serve a stop until the hood is removed. Stopping causes confusion to the passengers.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 26, 2019 22:01:29 GMT
Harsh, or just working to rule? I have just been on an R1 that ignored potential passengers hailing the driver to stop in Orpington High Street. Yes, the stop was marked as closed, but there was already a decker stopped in the cage, no obvious reason for the closure, no dolly stop, and nearest alternative stops are 1/4 mile away. Comments? Even if the works have not started or have finished i will not serve a stop until the hood is removed. Stopping causes confusion to the passengers. That's the right thing to do. I was on a 321 last night which shot straight past the Loampit Vale/Jerrard Street stop which was hooded despite the roadworks being done for at least 48 hours. Passengers cursed the driver not for not stopping, but for failing to warn them at the previous stop. Some drivers don't like doing so after a couple of rounders on the first day but I think it's good practice. If the stop I wanted is closed and the driver communicated this at the previous stop I will always thank the driver and sometimes have submitted feedback through the TfL site for good customer service. I usually stick up for the driver if passengers give them stick, commonly when they challenge fare evaders. However on this occasion I didn't get invovled because it's a given people will get upset very quickly if overcarried without warning.
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