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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2009 12:31:05 GMT
It looks as if the plans to take the underground driverless are going to go forward.
The Central line is already driverless except for some reason on Sundays
Many european systems are already totally drivererless. The Paris Metro line 14 has already gone over and it is planned to convert the rest of the lines.
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Post by Late Again on Aug 29, 2009 15:14:34 GMT
It looks as if the plans to take the underground driverless are going to go forward. The Central line is already driverless except for some reason on Sundays Many european systems are already totally drivererless. The Paris Metro line 14 has already gone over and it is planned to convert the rest of the lines. But this has happened in London for over 40 years already on the victoria line. Plus we will have the Jubliee Line some time soon and the Northern LIne. But I dont think we would ever go compleatly NOPO in this country in our life time though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2009 21:29:47 GMT
It looks as if the plans to take the underground driverless are going to go forward. The Central line is already driverless except for some reason on Sundays Many european systems are already totally drivererless. The Paris Metro line 14 has already gone over and it is planned to convert the rest of the lines. But this has happened in London for over 40 years already on the victoria line. Plus we will have the Jubliee Line some time soon and the Northern LIne. But I dont think we would ever go compleatly NOPO in this country in our life time though. NOPO systems are normally built to be like that, the unions wouldnt like it, the system is not reliable enough to go NOPO, and ATO is by no means NOPO  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2009 13:40:31 GMT
It looks as if the plans to take the underground driverless are going to go forward. The Central line is already driverless except for some reason on Sundays Many european systems are already totally drivererless. The Paris Metro line 14 has already gone over and it is planned to convert the rest of the lines. But this has happened in London for over 40 years already on the victoria line. Plus we will have the Jubliee Line some time soon and the Northern LIne. But I dont think we would ever go compleatly NOPO in this country in our life time though. They are talking of going properly driverless as on the Docklands Railway |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2009 17:29:05 GMT
But this has happened in London for over 40 years already on the victoria line. Plus we will have the Jubliee Line some time soon and the Northern LIne. But I dont think we would ever go compleatly NOPO in this country in our life time though. They are talking of going properly driverless as on the Docklands Railway Well, if you mean that, how can you claim that the Central Line is 'driverless'? |
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Post by Late Again on Aug 30, 2009 18:45:33 GMT
But this has happened in London for over 40 years already on the victoria line. Plus we will have the Jubliee Line some time soon and the Northern LIne. But I dont think we would ever go compleatly NOPO in this country in our life time though. They are talking of going properly driverless as on the Docklands Railway That would never happen either. Because they would need at least 2 members of staff at every station, which would work out costing more than having P.S.A.s on the train.I know the old B92 stock has a function to go fully driverless. But the new B2007's do no have such a function. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 30, 2009 22:11:22 GMT
I don't see 100% driverless trains being a reality, especially on the Northern Line where the signalling's so outdated that the rolling stock is governed to 60% power (hence the lack of performance in comparison to the Jubillee and Central Line trains). The Doclklands has a possibility as it's less than twenty-five years old and is a lot more easier to upgrade.
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Post by snowman on Aug 31, 2009 8:04:52 GMT
I don't see 100% driverless trains being a reality, especially on the Northern Line where the signalling's so outdated that the rolling stock is governed to 60% power (hence the lack of performance in comparison to the Jubillee and Central Line trains). The Doclklands has a possibility as it's less than twenty-five years old and is a lot more easier to upgrade. The Northern line trains were prewired for Auto train operation, the installation of equipment could be done when signalling is replaced in next decade. The power restriction is due to weak power supply cables and substations (which were designed for previous generation trains), not signal restrictions (the trains are designed to avoid electric interference by avoiding certain frequencies in the motors) The earlier note about manual driving on Sundays is done to remind staff how to use manual drive when auto drive isn't available, if auto was used all the time they might have forgotten what to do, when an emergency requires manual driving. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 31, 2009 12:48:10 GMT
I don't see 100% driverless trains being a reality, especially on the Northern Line where the signalling's so outdated that the rolling stock is governed to 60% power (hence the lack of performance in comparison to the Jubillee and Central Line trains). The Doclklands has a possibility as it's less than twenty-five years old and is a lot more easier to upgrade. The Northern line trains were prewired for Auto train operation, the installation of equipment could be done when signalling is replaced in next decade. The power restriction is due to weak power supply cables and substations (which were designed for previous generation trains), not signal restrictions (the trains are designed to avoid electric interference by avoiding certain frequencies in the motors) The earlier note about manual driving on Sundays is done to remind staff how to use manual drive when auto drive isn't available, if auto was used all the time they might have forgotten what to do, when an emergency requires manual driving. Thanks on that. When in the next decade will the upgrade happen? Those 95/96 stock trains have been on the line about 10 years now and i believe they're on a 20 year lease. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 18:54:31 GMT
The Northern is meant to be done within five years. The new service control room is already built.
There are many many places more ancient than the Northern though - they are actually rather advanced!
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Post by snowman on Sept 1, 2009 5:28:58 GMT
Have obtained some more info on the Northern Line signalling, it is being done by Thralls and scheduled to be installed on whole line by late 2012
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 6:31:58 GMT
Have obtained some more info on the Northern Line signalling, it is being done by Thralls and scheduled to be installed on whole line by late 2012 It's Thales (they like you to call pronounce it as Ta-Less, but most call it Fails!). They have to finish the Jubilee line first before they really get into the Northern. The Jubilee is not going too well! |
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