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Post by topbus on Oct 22, 2019 16:49:15 GMT
I very much doubt that new BYD / ADL double-deckers will require a lead time of 12 months. The first batch has taken a long time because it is a brand new type. We saw something similar with the BYD / ADL single-deckers; the 507/521 conversion took several months, even though the contract had been awarded several months in advance. But once things were up to speed, subsequent batches took no longer than a conventional order (see e.g. the buses for the 153, which were all delivered on time despite the contract being awarded only 8 months in advance).
The order for the 106/212 etc will give us a better idea. Go-Ahead certainly don't have the luxury of a 12-month lead time. The 212 start date is less than 5 months away.
Will be interesting to see how long the 94's BYDs take, with the order being placed back in July. An issue at the BYD/ADL factories could be the issue with the delay to the 100's SEes, which of course could easily have a knock on effective on other orders/deliveries.
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Post by topbus on Oct 22, 2019 16:55:05 GMT
Will be interesting to see how long the 94's BYDs take, with the order being placed back in July. An issue at the BYD/ADL factories could be the issue with the delay to the 100's SEes, which of course could easily have a knock on effective on other orders/deliveries.
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Post by topbus on Oct 22, 2019 16:55:36 GMT
Abellio London orders 34 Caetano electric buses for its TfL operation
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 18:24:14 GMT
I'd still put money on both retained as current with the 23 topped up with something from the 25. Both operators have a long association with both routes (139 of course as the 13). I wouldn’t say the 139 has a long association with RATP. Yes it’s now run on the old 13 contract but the route number and routing via West Hampstead has always been under Metroline and it’s predecessors for much longer, only until a couple of years ago with the Finchley Road changes, with the only main difference being this 139 has the Golders Green bit added to it Doesn’t fit the narrative amongst some that Metroline are somehow owed the 139. People forget Tower Transit won the new 82 from Metroline. It’s just a contract. If RATP lost the 139 they’d probably take something off Metroline in the next 12 months anyway.
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Post by topbus on Oct 23, 2019 10:51:09 GMT
Abellio London orders 34 Caetano electric buses for its TfL operation Bus body CAETANO Length 10.740 mm Width 2.500 mm Height 3.224 mm (intermediate charging batteries) 3.320 mm (overnight charging batteries) Passenger capacity Up to 87 passengers Doors 2 or 3 doors Engine Siemens permanent-magnet synchrinous (180 kW) Batteries NMC - até 385 kWh LTO - até 100 kWh (pantograph) Charging CCS Type 2 - up to 150 kW Onboard charger - up to 22kW Pantograph GB/T Range Up to 300 km (depending upon configuration and operation profile) Manufacturer reserves the right to change product specifications. Other versions on request
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Post by snowman on Oct 24, 2019 11:17:04 GMT
There are some interesting rumours going around regarding double deck changes in December. For entertainment value will summarise them here (but clearly some can't be correct as they conflict 266 (gained 7 Dec) will use mix of ADE (ex 81), ADH from 94 and E3 94 will get some VHs ex 285 and 635 to release enough buses for 266 306 (new route taking over part of 391) will get VHs from 285 (some rumours say SPs) 285 will gain some SPs (spare since new buses arrived for 406, but on 65) and other spare SPs Then about 3-4 months later as new electric deckers enter service on 94 : VHs from 94 move to 65 releasing more SPs ADEs from 266 move to 406 (and 418) replaced by ADHs from 94 SPs (from 65) replace other SPs to be withdrawn Would seem withdrawals are planned for April-July (so won't receive euroVI upgrades) (a few may become trainers, too many conflicting rumours about this though) 10 2007 ADEs at Epsom 10 ? unrefurbished SPs (2008 versions) 9 SPs (remaining 2006 versions) Sounds like about another 12-15 buses leaving (after 285 lost end June) Logically would be some more SPs Possibly busdryver will know more than my secondhand info If I have got my sums correct, this would leave the 266 fully ADH, but the 65 is few short of full VH conversion, and remains unclear if the pair ordered for 681 (for use on 65) will ever be delivered from Wrightbus Unless a route is gained, subsequent potential changes (this list is fact, not rumour) 306 new contract Dec 2020 (for first 12 months is variant of 391 contract) 633 contract expire April 2021 418 contract expires June 2021 71 and 281 contracts expire July 2021 65 and 85 contracts expire July 2021 (or might be extended to July 2023) so looks like there is a fairly stable period from Summer 2020 to Summer 2021
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 24, 2019 12:19:42 GMT
So potentially the 306 will be retained with VHs when its contract is tendered. The rest of the ones for the 285 that get released from the 94 when it goes electric are unallocated still?
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 24, 2019 14:31:50 GMT
What VHs were allocated to the 635?
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Post by gazza76 on Oct 24, 2019 14:44:05 GMT
Hopefully they might go to sovereign for the 79s
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 15:48:31 GMT
Hopefully they might go to sovereign for the 79s Apparently they're staying on the 79 till the end of its contract and are getting Euro VI upgrades
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Post by snowman on Oct 24, 2019 16:03:56 GMT
What VHs were allocated to the 635? 45255-45257 were bought against 635 tender win But allocation was swapped with SPs, and they have had a nomadic life moving around covering for euroVI upgrades on earlier hybrids.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 25, 2019 21:38:03 GMT
I see DLE30245 is on the 419, are the DLEs blinded for Roehampton, Bessborough Road?
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Post by george on Oct 25, 2019 21:40:25 GMT
I see DLE30245 is on the 419, are the DLEs blinded for Roehampton, Bessborough Road? I doubt they are blined but since no buses are blinded for Roehampton, Bessborough Road it shouldn't matter too much. Very surprised that it's been out for this long when I saw it on LVF earlier this evening I was only expecting it to be out for one trip max.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 26, 2019 2:35:24 GMT
C3 would be an obvious one. Also the 28,328,156,344 and 39 which are all in the 2021-22 tendering programme, obviously there won't be room for all of them but that's quite a few routes they could go for. The 295 would be another good shout seeing as that also passes by WD's front door, the route will be in the 2022-23 tender programme though. It even operated from WD until it closed in 1987.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 7:31:04 GMT
The 295 would be another good shout seeing as that also passes by WD's front door, the route will be in the 2022-23 tender programme though. It even operated from to WD until it closed in 1987. I do think RATP are missing a trick at WD. Surely they could move some of the tourist buses out to NC. Especially as the Wandsworth area is a two horse race between Abellio and Go Ahead.
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