|
Post by greg on Jul 11, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
I highly doubt it. Most routes are returning to normal service and there won't be enough spares for the 79s buses to be used on the 139, what would cover them? Generally uses all of its 18 reg and/or some 13 reg from 139 when more 18 reg are being used on the 139, I think this is simply nothing more than flexible allocations which will likely see a stricter 18 reg allocation to the 79 once the 139 goes unless VHs convert another route at BT. Generally VHs stay on the 139/79 with E400(H) on the routes their allocated to bar a few strays. If the VH’s are going off lease, they would run until last day , then be prepared for going off lease at HH or NC probably. I don’t know how the 183 is linked with this ? BT regularly field 13 reg VH’s on their other DD routes. Oh, makes sense. I mentioned the 183 becaue there were rumours/predictions the VHs would move to the 183 and be retained by RATP.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Jul 11, 2020 10:19:47 GMT
Are we far enough down the line with the hydrogens for the 7 to be able to re allocate the current VWHs to a win of the 183.
The fact that Metroline won the 306 with the ex 212 buses and Arriva the 34 with the ex Stagecoach Geminis shows those 7 year old HVs if returned to the leaser could find a home in London again.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 10:26:19 GMT
Are we far enough down the line with the hydrogens for the 7 to be able to re allocate the current VWHs to a win of the 183. The fact that Metroline won the 306 with the ex 212 buses and Arriva the 34 with the ex Stagecoach Geminis shows those 7 year old HVs if returned to the leaser could find a home in London again. Lots of possibilities, but LU have VH buses to use as well so quite an even playing field. Space is the issue. I don’t think any one firm will walk off with a big uplift. It will probably be retentions all round or a route swap with like PVRs. Abellio could surprise us again though. It may have been answered earlier somewhere, but can RATP early VH’s be used again for a 5-7 year contract like Arriva’s route 29 buses were ? Similar age.
|
|
|
Post by LK65EBO on Jul 11, 2020 12:23:52 GMT
Are we far enough down the line with the hydrogens for the 7 to be able to re allocate the current VWHs to a win of the 183. The fact that Metroline won the 306 with the ex 212 buses and Arriva the 34 with the ex Stagecoach Geminis shows those 7 year old HVs if returned to the leaser could find a home in London again. Lots of possibilities, but LU have VH buses to use as well so quite an even playing field. Space is the issue. I don’t think any one firm will walk off with a big uplift. It will probably be retentions all round or a route swap with like PVRs. Abellio could surprise us again though. It may have been answered earlier somewhere, but can RATP early VH’s be used again for a 5-7 year contract like Arriva’s route 29 buses were ? Similar age. GAL will have WHVs coming off the 202 and 405 soon so if they choose to sell the WHVs I could see RATP picking them up for bids and retains on routes.
|
|
|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2020 12:45:53 GMT
Lots of possibilities, but LU have VH buses to use as well so quite an even playing field. Space is the issue. I don’t think any one firm will walk off with a big uplift. It will probably be retentions all round or a route swap with like PVRs. Abellio could surprise us again though. It may have been answered earlier somewhere, but can RATP early VH’s be used again for a 5-7 year contract like Arriva’s route 29 buses were ? Similar age. GAL will have WHVs coming off the 202 and 405 soon so if they choose to sell the WHVs I could see RATP picking them up for bids and retains on routes. I wouldn't be surprised to see Go Ahead keep the buses, there's plenty of work coming up for them in terms of potential gains and the school routes retained at RR need Hybrids from somewhere.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Jul 11, 2020 15:13:38 GMT
2013 reg buses could easily be used for the 183 or the Kingston area next year. There are examples now of 10 year old buses being accepted (162).
|
|
|
Post by Hassaan on Jul 12, 2020 18:21:09 GMT
No double deckers on the 203 for a few days. Previously, if all seven MCLs were not available, then double deckers covered. However, that has become DLEs since Wednesday 8th, and last use of a double decker was on Thursday 9th (even that was only in the evening peak). The 111 from the same garage had a diversion because of low trees, so I wonder if the 203 is also affected now? If so, I can't see these trees on the 203 being a priority as the route is technically meant to be single deckers.
|
|
|
Post by LK65EBO on Jul 12, 2020 18:41:00 GMT
No double deckers on the 203 for a few days. Previously, if all seven MCLs were not available, then double deckers covered. However, that has become DLEs since Wednesday 8th, and last use of a double decker was on Thursday 9th (even that was only in the evening peak). The 111 from the same garage had a diversion because of low trees, so I wonder if the 203 is also affected now? If so, I can't see these trees on the 203 being a priority as the route is technically meant to be single deckers. Some 17 plate DLEs moved to another garage so perhaps thats why DLEs are on the 203.
|
|
|
Post by paulo on Jul 12, 2020 19:24:37 GMT
No double deckers on the 203 for a few days. Previously, if all seven MCLs were not available, then double deckers covered. However, that has become DLEs since Wednesday 8th, and last use of a double decker was on Thursday 9th (even that was only in the evening peak). The 111 from the same garage had a diversion because of low trees, so I wonder if the 203 is also affected now? If so, I can't see these trees on the 203 being a priority as the route is technically meant to be single deckers. Some 17 plate DLEs moved to another garage so perhaps thats why DLEs are on the 203. Which means less single decks available which would mean in The 203 needs cover it would be DD. I agree it’s probably low trees. Coronavirus clearly affected the councils being able to cut them round this way....
|
|
|
Post by Hassaan on Jul 12, 2020 20:20:46 GMT
No double deckers on the 203 for a few days. Previously, if all seven MCLs were not available, then double deckers covered. However, that has become DLEs since Wednesday 8th, and last use of a double decker was on Thursday 9th (even that was only in the evening peak). The 111 from the same garage had a diversion because of low trees, so I wonder if the 203 is also affected now? If so, I can't see these trees on the 203 being a priority as the route is technically meant to be single deckers. Some 17 plate DLEs moved to another garage so perhaps thats why DLEs are on the 203. My theory is the four DLEs are probably being covered by the 56-reg SPs, and indeed may be the only thing stopping most of them from being withdrawn, as they've mostly been replaced by YR10 SPs. H98 has had less deckers since normal schedules returned on the 116 and 423. That has also seen the return of OCEs this week, plus heavier usage of DE20009 + DE20064.
|
|
|
Post by LK65EBO on Jul 12, 2020 20:26:20 GMT
Some 17 plate DLEs moved to another garage so perhaps thats why DLEs are on the 203. My theory is the four DLEs are probably being covered by the 56-reg SPs, and indeed may be the only thing stopping most of them from being withdrawn, as they've mostly been replaced by YR10 SPs. H98 has had less deckers since normal schedules returned on the 116 and 423. That has also seen the return of OCEs this week, plus heavier usage of DE20009 + DE20064. Though its strange SP40002 hasn't been seen since last week. Might have transferred over to HH but I can't see why it would.
|
|
|
Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2020 6:45:34 GMT
Some 17 plate DLEs moved to another garage so perhaps thats why DLEs are on the 203. My theory is the four DLEs are probably being covered by the 56-reg SPs, and indeed may be the only thing stopping most of them from being withdrawn, as they've mostly been replaced by YR10 SPs. H98 has had less deckers since normal schedules returned on the 116 and 423. That has also seen the return of OCEs this week, plus heavier usage of DE20009 + DE20064. This seems logical as a short term solution. I would be surprised if the 56reg SPs continue beyond end of July, as since the 285 was lost they are surplus (although being so near end of school year, and with 10 buses on loan to Abellio), a few extra days doesn’t make that much difference, and probably easier to wait until school buses spare for summer. Until December there are still DLEs topping up H37 (although on paper might be 203, with 203 loaning buses to H37), however DEs could be used on some routes to release DLEs (not much difference whilst there is reduced capacity limit), and there quite a few spare DEs It will be interesting to see which other buses get stood down soon, there are about 20 extra double deckers spare during school summer break, and by the time schools resume, the 10 loaned buses should be back and 139 fleet is available. The obvious choice (due to being oldest) is 30+ SPs (probably those that were refurbished 6 years ago), but the 3 ADEs at EB+TV might go, and financially might be more value in offloading some 2012 ADEs or anything leased instead. If you include the spare ADHs, then could be 40 surplus double decks by end of August.
|
|
|
Post by busdryver on Jul 14, 2020 7:06:10 GMT
My theory is the four DLEs are probably being covered by the 56-reg SPs, and indeed may be the only thing stopping most of them from being withdrawn, as they've mostly been replaced by YR10 SPs. H98 has had less deckers since normal schedules returned on the 116 and 423. That has also seen the return of OCEs this week, plus heavier usage of DE20009 + DE20064. This seems logical as a short term solution. I would be surprised if the 56reg SPs continue beyond end of July, as since the 285 was lost they are surplus (although being so near end of school year, and with 10 buses on loan to Abellio), a few extra days doesn’t make that much difference, and probably easier to wait until school buses spare for summer. Until December there are still DLEs topping up H37 (although on paper might be 203, with 203 loaning buses to H37), however DEs could be used on some routes to release DLEs (not much difference whilst there is reduced capacity limit), and there quite a few spare DEs It will be interesting to see which other buses get stood down soon, there are about 20 extra double deckers spare during school summer break, and by the time schools resume, the 10 loaned buses should be back and 139 fleet is available. The obvious choice (due to being oldest) is 30+ SPs (probably those that were refurbished 6 years ago), but the 3 ADEs at EB+TV might go, and financially might be more value in offloading some 2012 ADEs or anything leased instead. If you include the spare ADHs, then could be 40 surplus double decks by end of August. All fine in principle, but the part that is not known is when bus leases finish - buses can simply not be returned off lease when the company wants to, so what seems to be sensible might actually not work, and different vehicles off leased. Examples would be the E3 Scanias in the past which went a long time before the earlier batches.
|
|
|
Post by jenkinsbuses on Jul 14, 2020 8:39:26 GMT
No double deckers on the 203 for a few days. Previously, if all seven MCLs were not available, then double deckers covered. However, that has become DLEs since Wednesday 8th, and last use of a double decker was on Thursday 9th (even that was only in the evening peak). The 111 from the same garage had a diversion because of low trees, so I wonder if the 203 is also affected now? If so, I can't see these trees on the 203 being a priority as the route is technically meant to be single deckers. Well I was on a 203 last Wednesday towards Staines and the SP I was on was hitting a few trees around the Stanwell Area so can see trees being a problem here
|
|
|
Post by ibus246 on Jul 14, 2020 21:33:25 GMT
Anyone know what happened to the buses that were used in Epsom on the ‘silver service’ routes once they were lost? Example YJ14BGK
|
|