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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 9, 2020 11:44:20 GMT
I'd have thought that the extra DLEs on SO route H11 should enable extra 11-reg DEs to move to BT, to replace more 58-reg's on route 326?
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Post by LK65EBO on Aug 9, 2020 11:47:39 GMT
I think the following is happening next few weeks More SPs are being reallocated to complete double decking of H98 The 2011 DLEs (From H98) some are moving to SO for H11, others to FW The remaining 2007 DEs and DE20001-17 will leave by October The 10 ADEs on loan to Abellio for 285 expected to return second half August This allows more SPs to transfer for H98 Will also allow SP40001-8 to be replaced by end August The 13 new diesel buses for K1 expected within next 2 weeks Should enter service in second half August The loans from Abellio, and the Epsom fleet route swaps can then end Last day of RATP working 139 is Friday 28 August Eventually majorly of fleet will be needed for gained 28 (from 1st May) Plan is not just to park them up for 8 months My understanding (and some of this is from rumours) is Upto 3 of 2016 VHs move to TV (it seems 2011 ADEs possibly leaving) Some 2013 VHs will replace some SPs temporarily Once 306 is lost in December a few other double decks can be cascaded to fix this There seems to be some sort of short term double decking planned for late September or October (all very vague), but it is all to do with completing the withdrawal of DE20001-17 by ULEZ date, but before the Richmond changes 12th December. DLEs come free from discontinued 391 and PVR cut on H37, but some are needed for extended 110. Presumably the remaining spare DLEs can unwind any temporary double decking. I think if RATP were to win the X140 I could see the 306 VHs being used there.
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Post by busdryver on Aug 9, 2020 16:19:10 GMT
I think the following is happening next few week My understanding (and some of this is from rumours) is Upto 3 of 2016 VHs move to TV (it seems 2011 ADEs possibly leaving) Some 2013 VHs will replace some SPs temporarily Once 306 is lost in December a few other double decks can be cascaded to fix this There seems to be some sort of short term double decking planned for late September or October (all very vague), but it is all to do with completing the withdrawal of DE20001-17 by ULEZ date, but before the Richmond changes 12th December. DLEs come free from discontinued 391 and PVR cut on H37, but some are needed for extended 110. Presumably the remaining spare DLEs can unwind any temporary double decking. The 2011 ADEs are meant to go back to Epsom when replaced, so that the ADHs become spare again, but whether that will happen is to be seen. The 110/H22/391 change doesn’t seem to have any change to PVR in the face of it, so no DLEs become spare here, and as I have mentioned several times, the official allocation for the H37 is MCL x 3, with 3 additional SPs on the 203 - so it is SPs that come free when the PVR is cut. As for the VHs from the 139, I hear that they are staying in the area to release other buses for school coverage, and also a possible other temporary use, but we will have to wait and see.
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Post by LK65EBO on Aug 9, 2020 16:29:45 GMT
I think the following is happening next few week My understanding (and some of this is from rumours) is Upto 3 of 2016 VHs move to TV (it seems 2011 ADEs possibly leaving) Some 2013 VHs will replace some SPs temporarily Once 306 is lost in December a few other double decks can be cascaded to fix this There seems to be some sort of short term double decking planned for late September or October (all very vague), but it is all to do with completing the withdrawal of DE20001-17 by ULEZ date, but before the Richmond changes 12th December. DLEs come free from discontinued 391 and PVR cut on H37, but some are needed for extended 110. Presumably the remaining spare DLEs can unwind any temporary double decking. The 2011 ADEs are meant to go back to Epsom when replaced, so that the ADHs become spare again, but whether that will happen is to be seen. The 110/H22/391 change doesn’t seem to have any change to PVR in the face of it, so no DLEs become spare here, and as I have mentioned several times, the official allocation for the H37 is MCL x 3, with 3 additional SPs on the 203 - so it is SPs that come free when the PVR is cut. As for the VHs from the 139, I hear that they are staying in the area to release other buses for school coverage, and also a possible other temporary use, but we will have to wait and see. Yes but SPs seem to be banned from the 203 (as deppy42 says problems with trees on Clare Road) so isn't the 203 allocated DLEs from the H98 - with the H98 using the 203 SPs?
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Post by busdryver on Aug 9, 2020 16:35:08 GMT
The 2011 ADEs are meant to go back to Epsom when replaced, so that the ADHs become spare again, but whether that will happen is to be seen. The 110/H22/391 change doesn’t seem to have any change to PVR in the face of it, so no DLEs become spare here, and as I have mentioned several times, the official allocation for the H37 is MCL x 3, with 3 additional SPs on the 203 - so it is SPs that come free when the PVR is cut. As for the VHs from the 139, I hear that they are staying in the area to release other buses for school coverage, and also a possible other temporary use, but we will have to wait and see. Yes but SPs seem to be banned from the 203 (as deppy42 says problems with trees on Clare Road) so isn't the 203 allocated DLEs from the H98 - with the H98 using the 203 SPs? Even so, the vehicles displaced will be SPs not DLEs, even if they are banned from the 203, that’s what is allocated !
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Post by snowman on Aug 9, 2020 18:01:43 GMT
Yes but SPs seem to be banned from the 203 (as deppy42 says problems with trees on Clare Road) so isn't the 203 allocated DLEs from the H98 - with the H98 using the 203 SPs? Even so, the vehicles displaced will be SPs not DLEs, even if they are banned from the 203, that’s what is allocated ! As far as I’m aware there remain a few unallocated ADHs All seems to suggest a bit of a surplus of double decks There is 8 months from loss of 139 to gain of 28, or 4.5 months from loss of 306 to gain of 28 If assume the 2013 VHs are for 28 (unconfirmed), then the 306 fleet (along with spare ADHs) create an excess of buses (and currently there is no tender award to use them), but results are overdue Some routes are out to tender, 418 late June, some FW routes July, others through to Autumn. But if 306 fleet is to be reused (or whatever it displaces reused) there is a 7-10 month gap before it is needed So have daft situation that to re-use the 139 and 306 fleet, effectively got to stores buses (and could be others, not exact fleet from 139 & 306) for 8 months. Not a problem if fully paid for, but rather a problem if lease payments or depreciation charge occurs every month.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 9, 2020 18:09:27 GMT
I think the following is happening next few weeks More SPs are being reallocated to complete double decking of H98 The 2011 DLEs (From H98) some are moving to SO for H11, others to FW The remaining 2007 DEs and DE20001-17 will leave by October The 10 ADEs on loan to Abellio for 285 expected to return second half August This allows more SPs to transfer for H98 Will also allow SP40001-8 to be replaced by end August The 13 new diesel buses for K1 expected within next 2 weeks Should enter service in second half August The loans from Abellio, and the Epsom fleet route swaps can then end Last day of RATP working 139 is Friday 28 August Eventually majorly of fleet will be needed for gained 28 (from 1st May) Plan is not just to park them up for 8 months My understanding (and some of this is from rumours) is Upto 3 of 2016 VHs move to TV (it seems 2011 ADEs possibly leaving) Some 2013 VHs will replace some SPs temporarily Once 306 is lost in December a few other double decks can be cascaded to fix this There seems to be some sort of short term double decking planned for late September or October (all very vague), but it is all to do with completing the withdrawal of DE20001-17 by ULEZ date, but before the Richmond changes 12th December. DLEs come free from discontinued 391 and PVR cut on H37, but some are needed for extended 110. Presumably the remaining spare DLEs can unwind any temporary double decking. I think if RATP were to win the X140 I could see the 306 VHs being used there. Was recently messaging george and pointing out that if RATP won the X140 it would mean RATP and Metroline would have effectively swapped routes which began in December 2019.
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Post by COBO on Aug 9, 2020 19:30:19 GMT
Um so what will be allocated to routes 662 and 613?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 19:53:58 GMT
I think the following is happening next few week My understanding (and some of this is from rumours) is Upto 3 of 2016 VHs move to TV (it seems 2011 ADEs possibly leaving) Some 2013 VHs will replace some SPs temporarily Once 306 is lost in December a few other double decks can be cascaded to fix this There seems to be some sort of short term double decking planned for late September or October (all very vague), but it is all to do with completing the withdrawal of DE20001-17 by ULEZ date, but before the Richmond changes 12th December. DLEs come free from discontinued 391 and PVR cut on H37, but some are needed for extended 110. Presumably the remaining spare DLEs can unwind any temporary double decking. The 2011 ADEs are meant to go back to Epsom when replaced, so that the ADHs become spare again, but whether that will happen is to be seen. The 110/H22/391 change doesn’t seem to have any change to PVR in the face of it, so no DLEs become spare here, and as I have mentioned several times, the official allocation for the H37 is MCL x 3, with 3 additional SPs on the 203 - so it is SPs that come free when the PVR is cut. As for the VHs from the 139, I hear that they are staying in the area to release other buses for school coverage, and also a possible other temporary use, but we will have to wait and see. School routes will be needing more buses to ensure social distancing and to maintain their bubbles.
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Post by paulo on Aug 9, 2020 21:54:30 GMT
Um so what will be allocated to routes 662 and 613? 13 reg VHs From the 139 will cover majority of the next school year
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Post by paulo on Aug 9, 2020 21:55:26 GMT
DE20074/92 have been upgraded to Euro 6 and refurbed in past few months so will be staying. SP40135 was due to go off lease but reprieved by SP40103’s demise. I wonder if they salvaged the upgraded engine from 40103, or perhaps swapped it I thought SP40135 was one of the initial two upgrades alongside SP40109.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 10, 2020 0:04:08 GMT
If the 139's 13reg VHs are needed as cover around the fleet (until needed for the 28), perhaps these could instead be used indirectly, due to being a less common type. With drivers on the 79/142/258/H12 type trained for the G2 VHs, these could remain at BT for a while, with either ADEs or G3 VHs used elsewhere. Or, once the 139 is lost, the 13reg could go straight to the garage where the 28 is set to be run from - I think this will most likely be RP, in which case an option could be to use the 13reg on the 18/220/266, with more standard types used elsewhere.
Such cover is probably mostly to release SPs to convert the H98 to DDs, with most garages being familiar with ADEs and/or G3 VHs already. This could save type training on the unique G2 batch at garages such as TV.
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Post by snowman on Aug 10, 2020 4:47:42 GMT
Um so what will be allocated to routes 662 and 613? 13 reg VHs From the 139 will cover majority of the next school year This might be wrong, but I am hearing the 2013 VHs are staying put, and other buses will move around, probably some of the SPs from 183 will move to cover school routes. Not really for an Operator thread but seems to be uncertainty about school routes, especially if schools have staggered start/finish times, or social distancing is still in force, or free travel becomes statutory only. I could see many short notice changes throughout September.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 10, 2020 7:42:11 GMT
If the 139's 13reg VHs are needed as cover around the fleet (until needed for the 28), perhaps these could instead be used indirectly, due to being a less common type. With drivers on the 79/142/258/H12 type trained for the G2 VHs, these could remain at BT for a while, with either ADEs or G3 VHs used elsewhere. Or, once the 139 is lost, the 13reg could go straight to the garage where the 28 is set to be run from - I think this will most likely be RP, in which case an option could be to use the 13reg on the 18/220/266, with more standard types used elsewhere. Such cover is probably mostly to release SPs to convert the H98 to DDs, with most garages being familiar with ADEs and/or G3 VHs already. This could save type training on the unique G2 batch at garages such as TV. Really RATP are just waiting the Kingston results as theoretically if anything is retained with existing then any spare buses can move to straight to the routes as and why they become spare. Let's just say the 65 and 71 are retained then any unallocated VHs can steadily go to the routes before the contract renewal date.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 10, 2020 8:51:50 GMT
13 reg VHs From the 139 will cover majority of the next school year This might be wrong, but I am hearing the 2013 VHs are staying put, and other buses will move around, probably some of the SPs from 183 will move to cover school routes. Not really for an Operator thread but seems to be uncertainty about school routes, especially if schools have staggered start/finish times, or social distancing is still in force, or free travel becomes statutory only. I could see many short notice changes throughout September. There seems to be so many groups that still qualify for free travel I will be surprised if over 50% of children end up paying, and wont be coming in until after next half term in October
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