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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2021 9:55:44 GMT
I think the 49 will be alright as according to LOTS BCEs are being stored whislt upgrades happen at SO and FW whereas S already have the infrastructure so can go straight into service. But there are not that many BCE's stored. They still have a month to hopefully get a few more delivered and can probably pinch a couple off the 94 for the first weekend.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 29, 2021 10:14:42 GMT
I agree when existing buses need to be used temporarily operators usually try to use the newest buses possible especially as its a new contract gain. The LT's which will be allocated to the 111 (in the future) might be used to cover for with the 49 and X140 with the 111's SP's staying for a little longer. Author of Confusion, Rumours & Speculation… Who said anything about SPs going on 49 & X140…?
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Post by dashing0ne on Jul 29, 2021 10:30:07 GMT
The LT's which will be allocated to the 111 (in the future) might be used to cover for with the 49 and X140 with the 111's SP's staying for a little longer. Author of Confusion, Rumours & Speculation… Who said anything about SPs going on 49 & X140…? Just speaking hypothetically, it's called speculation!
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 29, 2021 10:37:16 GMT
Author of Confusion, Rumours & Speculation… Who said anything about SPs going on 49 & X140…? Just speaking hypothetically, it's called speculation! That’s what the Speculation thread is for… in addition those are currently Hybrid Contracts until they leave. I doubt TFL would allow a temporary downgrade to diesels… Routes 49 & X140 are immediate takeovers and the buses have LED blinds and are already in the process of delivery do the Mathematics… According to this photograph flic.kr/p/2mcN79H
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Post by M1104 on Jul 29, 2021 10:49:00 GMT
I agree when existing buses need to be used temporarily operators usually try to use the newest buses possible especially as its a new contract gain. The LT's which will be allocated to the 111 (in the future) might be used to cover for with the 49 and X140 with the 111's SP's staying for a little longer. If you mean using LTs on the 49 that's not possible due to street infrastructure issues with a left turn from Fulham Road to Sydney Place (which it failed on there with the 14/414). In such a senario the firm could simply borrow some buses from Abellio.
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Post by dashing0ne on Jul 29, 2021 11:23:56 GMT
Just speaking hypothetically, it's called speculation! That’s what the Speculation thread is for… in addition those are currently Hybrid Contracts until they leave. I doubt TFL would allow a temporary downgrade to diesels… Routes 49 & X140 are immediate takeovers and the buses have LED blinds and are already in the process of delivery do the Mathematics… According to this photograph flic.kr/p/2mcN79HBut given it is about RATP why doesn't it fit in the RATP thread?
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Post by Frenzie on Jul 29, 2021 11:25:57 GMT
What partial conversion to hybrids before the Tower Transit contract? There are three LTs at AV currently with driver and engineer training being undertaken - the 111 will be moving over to LT operation at the end of August… Are there issues with the SPs at AV? Such a shame they won’t be continuing until the end of the contract. I guess the LTs could also move over to TF if there is a delay in getting the electrics.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 29, 2021 11:48:46 GMT
That’s what the Speculation thread is for… in addition those are currently Hybrid Contracts until they leave. I doubt TFL would allow a temporary downgrade to diesels… Routes 49 & X140 are immediate takeovers and the buses have LED blinds and are already in the process of delivery do the Mathematics… According to this photograph flic.kr/p/2mcN79HBut given it is about RATP why doesn't it fit in the RATP thread? Because it is unofficial speculation and is not a question, it is proposing theories by suggesting that the 49/X140 will be allocated with Scanias.
I think it's best we just wait and see what happens because who knows what the future holds.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2021 11:56:08 GMT
I think the plan is to get the 33 allocation filled with as many 60 reg DLEs as possible once the new electrics arrive. At the moment the 371 seems to be the main beneficiary though. In the long term they may also get DLE's of 2011 to be on the 33 to have a full 33 DLE allocation. The 2011 DLE’s are the 60 reg DLE’s paulo mentioned - there are no others in this age bracket
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Post by 725DYE on Jul 29, 2021 12:25:38 GMT
Author of Confusion, Rumours & Speculation… Who said anything about SPs going on 49 & X140…? Just speaking hypothetically, it's called speculation! Which you do far too much of and come up with exceedingly unreasonable scenarios....
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Post by mark on Jul 29, 2021 12:59:14 GMT
Not quite - they were learning the new curtailment point for Ashford Station. The curtailment point of Ashford War Memorial is to be discontinued. Out of curiousity what is wrong with the Ashford War Memorial curtailment point? They could have two at the Station and War Memorial. In practice the only shorts that I have seen on the 117 towards Staines in recent years have turned at what Metroline calls Fordbridge Park (some may remember it as Ashford - Dog and Partridge) but Abellio calls Ashford Woodthorpe Road. The turn from Church Road into Woodthorpe Road is pretty tight. I know that the 203and 203 did it years ago but the junction has been altered since then.
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Post by Gary on Jul 29, 2021 13:15:00 GMT
Out of curiousity what is wrong with the Ashford War Memorial curtailment point? They could have two at the Station and War Memorial. In practice the only shorts that I have seen on the 117 towards Staines in recent years have turned at what Metroline calls Fordbridge Park (some may remember it as Ashford - Dog and Partridge) but Abellio calls Ashford Woodthorpe Road. The turn from Church Road into Woodthorpe Road is pretty tight. I know that the 203and 203 did it years ago but the junction has been altered since then. The actual bus stand flag still says Dog & Partridge from memory! Generally the stand is only ever occupied by school buses during term time. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a TfL bus on that stand.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jul 29, 2021 13:18:21 GMT
I don’t think SPs will be able to be used on those routes because both the previous contracts at Metroline and Abellio were hybrid. Might be wrong here so anyone feel free to correct me. I agree when existing buses need to be used temporarily operators usually try to use the newest buses possible especially as its a new contract gain. I can't see any issues with SPs being used on the 49 and/or X140 for a couple of months until the BCEs arrive. When Abellio took over the 285 they used a motley mix of hired 62 reg Enviro400s from RATP as well as some 56/07 reg Enviro400s which were spare. Does seem a little pointless to convert the 111 for about seven months, unless its a lease break as was mentioned before. If the Hounslow SPs aren't in the best shape they could've swapped with FW and/or SO to get the SPs which are healthier as the routes at those garages are to lose their SPs sooner.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 29, 2021 13:20:47 GMT
That’s what the Speculation thread is for… in addition those are currently Hybrid Contracts until they leave. I doubt TFL would allow a temporary downgrade to diesels… Routes 49 & X140 are immediate takeovers and the buses have LED blinds and are already in the process of delivery do the Mathematics… According to this photograph flic.kr/p/2mcN79HBut given it is about RATP why doesn't it fit in the RATP thread? Speculation should be limited to the dedicated speculation thread. This is the main RATP thread. There are not only enthusiasts on this forum but also those that also work in the industry such as drivers and those who work in company offices, where rumours and speculation may not be wanted on the main thread, especially those that could unsettle and cause concern for their jobs.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 29, 2021 13:23:55 GMT
But given it is about RATP why doesn't it fit in the RATP thread? Speculation should be limited to the dedicated speculation thread. This is the main RATP thread. There are not only enthusiasts on this forum but also those that also work in the industry such as drivers and those who work in company offices, where rumours and speculation may not be wanted on the main thread, especially those that could unsettle and cause concern for their jobs. This is also why I didn't agree with the Tower Transit bashing and rumours of it selling up - frankly it was not only uncalled for but imagine the staff and drivers, some people who may have no control over how their company is run seeing a forum of people just bashing them. Some people disagreed with how Tower Transit was run but it went way too far in terms of speculation.
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