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Post by snowman on Jul 27, 2010 20:26:54 GMT
If my conversion is correct 115KW is about 155bhp seems drastically underpowered, my Skoda Octavia has 158bhp |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 20:35:33 GMT
If my conversion is correct 115KW is about 155bhp seems drastically underpowered, my Skoda Octavia has 158bhp The top Octavia is currently rated at 122bhp. www.skoda.co.uk/pdf/brochure_octavia.pdf. I know it is a Skoda, but I would hope it has better acceleration than a bus ... and higher gearing. |
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Post by Volvo on Jul 27, 2010 21:20:36 GMT
I just used the converter on my fone.
115Kw = 154.2175403 hp precisely lol.
So 154BHP which is very underpowered for 11.1m imo.
Iirc (correct me if im wrong) the original transdev OVs and elbg versa's have the same engine but are 10.4m so have much less weight to carry around on the same power.
8.9 - 10.2m enviro 200s have 140bhp
and the 10.8m ones have 160bhp to me that is saying because the bus is bigger it needs more power.
Also super enviro 200s aka 11.3m are fitted with a 6 cylinder engine as standard which is rated at 215bhp?.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 27, 2010 23:26:18 GMT
I just used the converter on my fone. 115Kw = 154.2175403 hp precisely lol. So 154BHP which is very underpowered for 11.1m imo. Iirc (correct me if im wrong) the original transdev OVs and elbg versa's have the same engine but are 10.4m so have much less weight to carry around on the same power. 8.9 - 10.2m enviro 200s have 140bhp and the 10.8m ones have 160bhp to me that is saying because the bus is bigger it needs more power. Also super enviro 200s aka 11.3m are fitted with a 6 cylinder engine as standard which is rated at 215bhp?. The reason why its underpowed is I believe Mercedes don't offer higher BHP engines for the Versa, shame they didn't go for Cummins Versas, not only do they sound nice but they have been known to jumpstart cars, just like the graceful old Volvo B10M  . |
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Post by londonbusboy on Jul 27, 2010 23:51:07 GMT
Doesnt anybody think when making an engine? How the hell can they offer an underpowered engine on a vehicle thats gonna carry alot of weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 7:27:19 GMT
If my conversion is correct 115KW is about 155bhp seems drastically underpowered, my Skoda Octavia has 158bhp The top Octavia is currently rated at 122bhp. www.skoda.co.uk/pdf/brochure_octavia.pdf. I know it is a Skoda, but I would hope it has better acceleration than a bus ... and higher gearing. Skoda Octavia VRs has 200 bhp, the diesel version 170 |
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Post by eggmiester on Jul 28, 2010 12:00:31 GMT
the thing is youre all talking BHP, when you really need to be talking torque!! Its not the BHP that pushes the vehicle along, it's the Torque that the engine produces. The engine concerned may have 154BHP or thereabouts but it may be producing sufficiant or indeed more than enough torque to drive the vehicle.
As the old saying goes, BHP wins Respect, Torque wins Races!!!
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Post by eggmiester on Jul 28, 2010 12:05:42 GMT
Skoda Octavia VRs has 200 bhp, the diesel version 170 Still dont beat a Focus ST - £225 bhp standard, (potential for up to 280 bhp), Focus RS - 305 bhp Standard (up to 350 bhp with a mountune performance upgrade). All this from the same engine!!!  |
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Post by Volvo on Jul 28, 2010 12:29:24 GMT
That is true egg, torque is for getting you off the line and upto speed, bhp is for top end speed but also weight can have its toll on these kind of things because the engine itself is going to have to be pushing more weight off the line compared to a 10.4m version.
so I still think these buses will struggle, how much torque does this mercedes engine produce.
Example is the new bmw m3 4.0ltr v8 produces 295lbs/ft of torque and 414bhp while the new audi rs5 4.2ltr v8 produces 317lbs/ft of torque and 444bhp yet both cars still do 0 - 62 in 4.6secs because the bmw is lighter cant remember by how much but a fair bit so needs less torque to get it off the line.
There is another example is the bmw m3 gtr 4.0ltr v8 which is more uprated than standard has 333lbs/ft of torque and 444bhp, 0 - 62 is 4.4secs vs the porsche carrera gt3 rs 3.8ltr flat 6 also has 444bhp but 317lbs/ft of torque, 0- 60 is 4.1secs again because the porsche is lighter.
As dave iirc was saying on the route 96 scanias thread about how he feels the scanias are gutless well they have alot of torque due to the 9.4ltr engine but only 230bhp.
He also mentioned that his coach has 380bhp which im guessing it probably has a big engine with lots of torque but says it is slow off the line but when it gets upto speed it goes like......
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Post by Volvo on Jul 28, 2010 12:37:44 GMT
Skoda Octavia VRs has 200 bhp, the diesel version 170 Still dont beat a Focus ST - £225 bhp standard, (potential for up to 280 bhp), Focus RS - 305 bhp Standard (up to 350 bhp with a mountune performance upgrade). All this from the same engine!!! the manic new focus rs can actually go upto 368bhp, saw it in one of last years editions of autocar magazine where i get all these performance stats etc from. A guy thought 305bhp wasnt enough for his fast ford so he took it to a ford dealer where they chipped the engine along with some other enhancements apparently which voids your warranty (he obviously thouht it was worth it), and they took the power upto 368bhp on a front wheel drive car that is nuts. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2010 13:50:36 GMT
That is true egg, torque is for getting you off the line and upto speed, bhp is for top end speed but also weight can have its toll on these kind of things because the engine itself is going to have to be pushing more weight off the line compared to a 10.4m version. so I still think these buses will struggle, how much torque does this mercedes engine produce. Example is the new bmw m3 4.0ltr v8 produces 295lbs/ft of torque and 414bhp while the new audi rs5 4.2ltr v8 produces 317lbs/ft of torque and 444bhp yet both cars still do 0 - 62 in 4.6secs because the bmw is lighter cant remember by how much but a fair bit so needs less torque to get it off the line. There is another example is the bmw m3 gtr 4.0ltr v8 which is more uprated than standard has 333lbs/ft of torque and 444bhp, 0 - 62 is 4.4secs vs the porsche carrera gt3 rs 3.8ltr flat 6 also has 444bhp but 317lbs/ft of torque, 0- 60 is 4.1secs again because the porsche is lighter. As dave iirc was saying on the route 96 scanias thread about how he feels the scanias are gutless well they have alot of torque due to the 9.4ltr engine but only 230bhp. He also mentioned that his coach has 380bhp which im guessing it probably has a big engine with lots of torque but says it is slow off the line but when it gets upto speed it goes like...... The N270UD (270bhp) Scania's at Brighton aren't much faster and only slightly more comfortable due to the Esteban seating. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 14:13:20 GMT
Skoda Octavia VRs has 200 bhp, the diesel version 170 Still dont beat a Focus ST - £225 bhp standard, (potential for up to 280 bhp), Focus RS - 305 bhp Standard (up to 350 bhp with a mountune performance upgrade). All this from the same engine!!! Are we playing Top Trumps if so you are losing, my Jag has 322bhp as standard, well it did till I blew the supercharger ;D |
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Post by Volvo on Jul 28, 2010 14:36:13 GMT
I love superchargers, the whine they make.
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Post by john on Jul 28, 2010 14:36:52 GMT
Skoda Octavia VRs has 200 bhp, the diesel version 170 Still dont beat a Focus ST - £225 bhp standard, (potential for up to 280 bhp), Focus RS - 305 bhp Standard (up to 350 bhp with a mountune performance upgrade). All this from the same engine!!! Is this the Focus I keep seeing on another website always being posted by yourself??  ;D |
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Post by Volvo on Jul 28, 2010 14:40:09 GMT
That is true egg, torque is for getting you off the line and upto speed, bhp is for top end speed but also weight can have its toll on these kind of things because the engine itself is going to have to be pushing more weight off the line compared to a 10.4m version. so I still think these buses will struggle, how much torque does this mercedes engine produce. Example is the new bmw m3 4.0ltr v8 produces 295lbs/ft of torque and 414bhp while the new audi rs5 4.2ltr v8 produces 317lbs/ft of torque and 444bhp yet both cars still do 0 - 62 in 4.6secs because the bmw is lighter cant remember by how much but a fair bit so needs less torque to get it off the line. There is another example is the bmw m3 gtr 4.0ltr v8 which is more uprated than standard has 333lbs/ft of torque and 444bhp, 0 - 62 is 4.4secs vs the porsche carrera gt3 rs 3.8ltr flat 6 also has 444bhp but 317lbs/ft of torque, 0- 60 is 4.1secs again because the porsche is lighter. As dave iirc was saying on the route 96 scanias thread about how he feels the scanias are gutless well they have alot of torque due to the 9.4ltr engine but only 230bhp. He also mentioned that his coach has 380bhp which im guessing it probably has a big engine with lots of torque but says it is slow off the line but when it gets upto speed it goes like...... The N270UD (270bhp) Scania's at Brighton aren't much faster and only slightly more comfortable due to the Esteban seating. who knows vj, they should be because they probably are lighter than londons ones and have 40bhp more and more torque too. |
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