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Post by snowman on Jun 21, 2022 7:41:48 GMT
FW currently have 26 VHs for a PVR of 22 (85, 481 and 681). The move of 45162-164 into TV is curious as I did think they were allocated to the 85 but your likely correct in thinking it’s for refurbishment of 45124-144 (71 and 406 buses). That leaves VH45153-155 eventually without a route so I presume general spares at FW, but of course are now covering 45162-164. These could perhaps end up allocated to the TV school routes? the majority of the TV school routes should be allocated VHs but are not presently. I think 4 of the 8 acquired ADEs from TT will stay but presumably the other 4 move to Hounslow for the 696/697. Doesn’t another VH become spare (on paper) when the 671 goes to Abellio? I suspect those troublesome ADHs at V are looking vulnerable now. Always a good 4 or 5 off the road for weeks on end. Yes 671 effectively leaves at end of school term in months time. I suspect the ADEs will be phased out of TV once more refurbished VHs are available, because a few scattered school workings would be easier to link if use same type. The other reason is that apparently TV cannot be configured for electric buses (having been shoehorned out of a spare part of a 1930s rail yard) so it defers any problem of garage replacement until late 1920s Once the 142 and 642 end in January, going to have lots of spare double decks, especially if route cuts free up another 15-20 newer buses (and for completeness the loss of H32 in March will see its SPs leave too) but I suspect many of the troublesome ADHs will leave before the ADEs.
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Post by paulo on Jun 21, 2022 7:56:54 GMT
the majority of the TV school routes should be allocated VHs but are not presently. I think 4 of the 8 acquired ADEs from TT will stay but presumably the other 4 move to Hounslow for the 696/697. Doesn’t another VH become spare (on paper) when the 671 goes to Abellio? I suspect those troublesome ADHs at V are looking vulnerable now. Always a good 4 or 5 off the road for weeks on end. Yes 671 effectively leaves at end of school term in months time. I suspect the ADEs will be phased out of TV once more refurbished VHs are available, because a few scattered school workings would be easier to link if use same type. The other reason is that apparently TV cannot be configured for electric buses (having been shoehorned out of a spare part of a 1930s rail yard) so it defers any problem of garage replacement until late 1920s Once the 142 and 642 end in January, going to have lots of spare double decks, especially if route cuts free up another 15-20 newer buses (and for completeness the loss of H32 in March will see its SPs leave too) but I suspect many of the troublesome ADHs will leave before the ADEs. The issue they may have is that tfl probably won’t allow a hybrid route to be downgraded to diesels juts because of reliability issues. The ex TT ADEs have recently been refurbished so you would expect them to outlast others.
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Post by snowman on Jun 21, 2022 9:13:57 GMT
Yes 671 effectively leaves at end of school term in months time. I suspect the ADEs will be phased out of TV once more refurbished VHs are available, because a few scattered school workings would be easier to link if use same type. The other reason is that apparently TV cannot be configured for electric buses (having been shoehorned out of a spare part of a 1930s rail yard) so it defers any problem of garage replacement until late 1920s Once the 142 and 642 end in January, going to have lots of spare double decks, especially if route cuts free up another 15-20 newer buses (and for completeness the loss of H32 in March will see its SPs leave too) but I suspect many of the troublesome ADHs will leave before the ADEs. The issue they may have is that tfl probably won’t allow a hybrid route to be downgraded to diesels juts because of reliability issues. The ex TT ADEs have recently been refurbished so you would expect them to outlast others. But I suspect some bartering can be done, as an example if some electric buses come free from routes like C3, might allow equivalent number of hybrids to be withdrawn and replaced by other buses in the fleet. Now that everything is euroVI minimum, not really going to be a big emissions problem if routes like E1 and E3 have some diesels. TfL allowed a mix of diesel and hybrid on 220 and that runs in more polluted areas ADH 45003-22 are already 12 years old so near end of London life ADH 45023-51 are only 9.5 years old IJust to make it clear, I am of the opinion a handful need to be withdrawn to provide spare parts for the others, not a wholesale withdrawal at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 7:40:21 GMT
If the change to the 49 goes through, it could be transferred S to X using spare OMEs.
This would free up around 17 ? BCEs which could be recycled onto a new contract at a garage fitted out with suitable chargers.
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Post by snowman on Jun 22, 2022 8:33:58 GMT
It looks like they are finally getting the allocations in order. I noticed one of the BEs that was covering at S has now made it to FW too. Situation with BEs is : BE 37053 loaned from FW to 235 BE 37056 not re-entered service since loan at S (hasn’t been used since April) BE 37051 due at FW not yet entered service BE 37063 being used on 235 BE 37062, 64-74, 76, 84 on loan to FW (temporary use on 33) 235 batch BE 37075, 77-83 stored pending chargers at WK being commissioned BE 37085-101 not yet built (for 226 from 15th October) so FW missing 3 BEs, but have 14 extra which should move to 235 (net +11)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 8:36:29 GMT
Should V and AV be installed with chargers, long term that puts RATP in a very strong position for growth in next 8 years. Question is will electric bids win the day in the next two years given the potential number of redeploy-able hybrids ?
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Post by TB123 on Jun 22, 2022 8:39:16 GMT
Should V and AV be installed with chargers, long term that puts RATP in a very strong position for growth in next 8 years. Question is will electric bids win the day in the next two years given the potential number of redeploy-able hybrids ? I'd personally be quite surprised if V stays open post 2023. Enough space at AV, S and X likely to assimilate the work - 9/211/272 to S, 148 to X, E3 to AV
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Post by snowman on Jun 22, 2022 9:02:51 GMT
Should V and AV be installed with chargers, long term that puts RATP in a very strong position for growth in next 8 years. Question is will electric bids win the day in the next two years given the potential number of redeploy-able hybrids ? It is looking like about 300 new single decks will be needed in London during 2023-24 to replace the 2008-2010 built fleet, there is also 301 single decks built 2011 (per TfL fleet audit) which probably need replacing by 2025 So even if there are not many new double decks, due to displaced buses being available, there will be a need to update the single deck fleet RATP still has about 100 single decks to replace (although about 10 should be surplus when 235 goes electric, allowing for transfers back to 33 etc)
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 22, 2022 9:21:34 GMT
Should V and AV be installed with chargers, long term that puts RATP in a very strong position for growth in next 8 years. Question is will electric bids win the day in the next two years given the potential number of redeploy-able hybrids ? I'd personally be quite surprised if V stays open post 2023. Enough space at AV, S and X likely to assimilate the work - 9/211/272 to S, 148 to X, E3 to AV Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some.
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Post by cl54 on Jun 22, 2022 9:31:52 GMT
I'd personally be quite surprised if V stays open post 2023. Enough space at AV, S and X likely to assimilate the work - 9/211/272 to S, 148 to X, E3 to AV Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some. Simple answer is that traditional garages cost a lot of money to maintain. Some are needed for bus maintenance. Open air parking on industrial estates is much cheaper.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 22, 2022 9:40:07 GMT
I'd personally be quite surprised if V stays open post 2023. Enough space at AV, S and X likely to assimilate the work - 9/211/272 to S, 148 to X, E3 to AV Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some. Exactly. Such as if they win the 237 and E8, the latter would go to AV most likely which may mean the former couldn't fit - it may end up in V. Not to mention the H20 and H26 are also up for tender.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 22, 2022 9:53:24 GMT
Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some. Simple answer is that traditional garages cost a lot of money to maintain. Some are needed for bus maintenance. Open air parking on industrial estates is much cheaper. Exactly that, a speaker at the recent Detling event was saying how the onset of electrification means some 'tradition' garage's are likely to be replaced with open air facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 10:36:21 GMT
I'd personally be quite surprised if V stays open post 2023. Enough space at AV, S and X likely to assimilate the work - 9/211/272 to S, 148 to X, E3 to AV Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some. Also agree. RATP are not shy for closing garages as we know. I don’t think V will close, especially when RP could be in need of replacing in next ten or so years simply because of where it is.
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Post by gazza76 on Jun 22, 2022 10:54:24 GMT
Sorry if this has been mentioned before where is the 226 going to run from
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 22, 2022 11:02:58 GMT
Sorry if this has been mentioned before where is the 226 going to run from RP
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