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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 30, 2022 8:07:22 GMT
Pretty sure I just seen a 85 driver wearing an Arriva top. Colour was the same but couldn't quite make out logo. This got me wondering as any route ever gone from Arriva to London United I can only think of arriva to London sovereign. Route E10?
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Post by george on Jul 30, 2022 8:22:59 GMT
Pretty sure I just seen a 85 driver wearing an Arriva top. Colour was the same but couldn't quite make out logo. This got me wondering as any route ever gone from Arriva to London United I can only think of arriva to London sovereign. Route E10? Yes good one forgot about the E10, to this day Arriva operating the E10 is still the oddest tender yet. I can't really think of that many routes that could pass from Arriva to London United or vice versa with the most obvious being the 57 when it was at TV.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 30, 2022 8:59:00 GMT
Yes good one forgot about the E10, to this day Arriva operating the E10 is still the oddest tender yet. I can't really think of that many routes that could pass from Arriva to London United or vice versa with the most obvious being the 57 when it was at TV. The 337 was run by London United 1999-2004 and then passed to Arriva who ran it up until 2011 but its hard to see that route returning to Arriva since they no longer have WD.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jul 30, 2022 9:02:55 GMT
Yes good one forgot about the E10, to this day Arriva operating the E10 is still the oddest tender yet. I can't really think of that many routes that could pass from Arriva to London United or vice versa with the most obvious being the 57 when it was at TV. The 337 was run by London United 1999-2004 and then passed to Arriva who ran it up until 2011 but its hard to see that route returning to Arriva since they no longer have WD. To be honest I'm surprised Abellio haven't won the 337 yet, especially seeing as QB is quite near to CLJ iirc. They could also do it from TF, so this gives them the advantage over Arriva a. because they don't have WD and b. there's no reasonable garage I can think of that can take it. AF is also very well placed, sitting somewhere in the middle of the route I think, hence why GAL have it.
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Post by george on Jul 30, 2022 9:46:32 GMT
Yes good one forgot about the E10, to this day Arriva operating the E10 is still the oddest tender yet. I can't really think of that many routes that could pass from Arriva to London United or vice versa with the most obvious being the 57 when it was at TV. The 337 was run by London United 1999-2004 and then passed to Arriva who ran it up until 2011 but its hard to see that route returning to Arriva since they no longer have WD. Yes very true mate I was meant to put in recent years on my post as knew about the 337. Yeah certainly don't see Arriva operating the route again in it's current form.
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Post by george on Jul 30, 2022 9:53:54 GMT
The 337 was run by London United 1999-2004 and then passed to Arriva who ran it up until 2011 but its hard to see that route returning to Arriva since they no longer have WD. To be honest I'm surprised Abellio haven't won the 337 yet, especially seeing as QB is quite near to CLJ iirc. They could also do it from TF, so this gives them the advantage over Arriva a. because they don't have WD and b. there's no reasonable garage I can think of that can take it. AF is also very well placed, sitting somewhere in the middle of the route I think, hence why GAL have it. Yes I can quite easily see Abellio win the route next tender, only route I can think over apart from the 493 or the 85 maybe that could be run from either QB or TF. It's really between Abellio, RATP and Go Ahead. From an enthuisast point of view would be nice to have 3 operators on the Upper Richmond road. edit. 419 could be run from both in fact there's probably quite a few.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 30, 2022 10:34:56 GMT
Yes good one forgot about the E10, to this day Arriva operating the E10 is still the oddest tender yet. I can't really think of that many routes that could pass from Arriva to London United or vice versa with the most obvious being the 57 when it was at TV. The 337 was run by London United 1999-2004 and then passed to Arriva who ran it up until 2011 but its hard to see that route returning to Arriva since they no longer have WD. Another route that could be potentially be operated by Arriva or London United is the X26. Also some central London routes such as 148 could be operated by both
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Post by paulo on Jul 30, 2022 13:55:52 GMT
NC clearing out the withdrawn stock fairly quickly now. No DEs remain with only around a dozen SPs.
No sign of LTs or ADE40310 so presumably the latter has now gone for its refurb.
Will be interesting to see if NC closes again now new stock life is starting to calm down.
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Post by snowman on Jul 30, 2022 15:15:48 GMT
NC clearing out the withdrawn stock fairly quickly now. No DEs remain with only around a dozen SPs. No sign of LTs or ADE40310 so presumably the latter has now gone for its refurb. Will be interesting to see if NC closes again now new stock life is starting to calm down. There is something like 80-90 buses that will be withdrawn over next 8 months, as a result of new BEs and BCEs, and route losses
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 30, 2022 18:15:19 GMT
A random fact for you all- Route H32 turns 30 next year, and for almost half of that, AV's SP41-51 will have been allocated. They are the only full batch of Scanias to be allocated to the route they were new for (the 248 lost 15013 in 2012), and will hold their title as the Scanias allocated to their original route for the longest, beating the remainder of the 248's batch by around 1-2 months. Their reliability is fairly impressive for 13 year old vehicles, and their acceleration is very good for their age. Other than the odd fibreglass repair to the rear which looks to be the result of mirror strikes, they do look very smart for their age, credit to AV. Seems strange to think they're 13 now, where has time gone! It's a double celebration, as the H32's predecessor began life on 6th January 1973 so fifty years ago next year. The 232A (Northolt-Hounslow) began as a variant of the 232, serving a new housing estate at Convent Way, Heston. Originally allocated 4 RTs out of Southall (HW) Garage, this changed dramatically to 11 DMS on 30th November 1974, when the route was converted to one-man operation and the parent 232 route via Norwood Green was withdrawn, all journeys now operating via Convent way as route 232A. The route lost its A suffix in March 1979 becoming plain 232. The 232 was part-replaced by the H32 between Hounslow and Southall in April 1993 (the 120 replaced the section to Northolt), as part of a trend to convert routes to higher-frequency midibus; like many such conversions the higher frequency was so successful in attracting passengers that double deck operation was soon restored, retaining the higher frequency. The H actually stood for Harrier, London United's midibus brand, rather than Hounslow. Todays' 232 bears no relation to the former route, being created in August 1994 when the 112 was curtailed to Brent Cross, the vacant number being used for the replacement route between St Raphael's Estate and Wood Green.
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Post by paulo on Jul 30, 2022 22:44:52 GMT
A random fact for you all- Route H32 turns 30 next year, and for almost half of that, AV's SP41-51 will have been allocated. They are the only full batch of Scanias to be allocated to the route they were new for (the 248 lost 15013 in 2012), and will hold their title as the Scanias allocated to their original route for the longest, beating the remainder of the 248's batch by around 1-2 months. Their reliability is fairly impressive for 13 year old vehicles, and their acceleration is very good for their age. Other than the odd fibreglass repair to the rear which looks to be the result of mirror strikes, they do look very smart for their age, credit to AV. Seems strange to think they're 13 now, where has time gone! I think the SPs have been fantastic vehicles. Yes the seats are a big hard but their reloability can’t be questioned and not prone to the odd fire or two as per ADL vehicles. This batch also worked the N111 most nights so mileage will be high too. Let’s hope they see out the next few months before it passes to Abellio.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2022 6:58:13 GMT
The post on ADH made me think, how many older double decks can RATP afford to lose 1 from loss of 671 About 6 are covering VH and LT refurbishments 12 BCEs are still to enter service On 29th October gain 295, getting new BCEs (although is possibility existing buses might have to cover for a while) About November (whenever Bond Street station opens), 94 is due to cut back to Portman Square saving about 7 or 8 buses 7th January routes 142 and 642 lost (about 21 buses) 14th January route 635 lost (3 buses) 4th March routes H32 and H91 lost (about 27 buses) Roughly 75 current double decks will no longer be needed, realistically that is the remaining SPs (about 55) and 20 others. My guess is the 7 2011 VDWs (41001-7), and about 13 of older (or damaged) ADEs or ADHs Could be a few more if there are more PVR cuts I don’t own a crystal ball, but after this I cannot see many more double decks leaving during 2023 and 2024 (unless there are more route losses), although about 80 single decks are likely to be replaced by new electric single decks upto end of 2024 I even wonder whether any single-deck routes with RATP could be double-decked, using ADEs ex route 142 or VHs ex route H91?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2022 7:06:25 GMT
I wonder where driver changeovers for route 226 will occur if it does indeed operate from X? Admittedly there is a direct bus (328) from X to Golders Green but no direct rail connection to anywhere on that route.
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Post by abellion on Jul 31, 2022 7:32:27 GMT
I wonder where driver changeovers for route 226 will occur if it does indeed operate from X? Admittedly there is a direct bus (328) from X to Golders Green but no direct rail connection to anywhere on that route. It's not a direct train but going from X to Ealing takes hardly any time with the H&C and Elizabeth lines - both only for 2 stops. The changeover at Paddington probably makes that inconvenient though.
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Post by paulo on Jul 31, 2022 7:49:59 GMT
The post on ADH made me think, how many older double decks can RATP afford to lose 1 from loss of 671 About 6 are covering VH and LT refurbishments 12 BCEs are still to enter service On 29th October gain 295, getting new BCEs (although is possibility existing buses might have to cover for a while) About November (whenever Bond Street station opens), 94 is due to cut back to Portman Square saving about 7 or 8 buses 7th January routes 142 and 642 lost (about 21 buses) 14th January route 635 lost (3 buses) 4th March routes H32 and H91 lost (about 27 buses) Roughly 75 current double decks will no longer be needed, realistically that is the remaining SPs (about 55) and 20 others. My guess is the 7 2011 VDWs (41001-7), and about 13 of older (or damaged) ADEs or ADHs Could be a few more if there are more PVR cuts I don’t own a crystal ball, but after this I cannot see many more double decks leaving during 2023 and 2024 (unless there are more route losses), although about 80 single decks are likely to be replaced by new electric single decks upto end of 2024 I even wonder whether any single-deck routes with RATP could be double-decked, using ADEs ex route 142 or VHs ex route H91? 203 is a good candidate. It does actually need them too.
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