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Post by sleckdeck on Aug 30, 2022 12:50:11 GMT
Just saw an SP ride past Brentford County Court heading upwards towards Watermans Centre/Ealing Road. Could this bus be entering service on the E1?
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Post by abellion on Aug 30, 2022 13:46:52 GMT
Just saw an SP ride past Brentford County Court heading upwards towards Watermans Centre/Ealing Road. Could this bus be entering service on the E1? There are 3 SPs on now so probably. The ADHs have a pretty bad reputation for being unreliable
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Post by LK65EBO on Aug 30, 2022 14:06:34 GMT
I heard from someone who has family members working at the Hounslow garages that the current plans are for VHs from the H91 and some others to be used on route H98. That would mean the last SPs would be withdrawn with the H32 loss. If this is true it would mean the ex H91 SPs would be replaced by more ex H91 vehicles!
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2022 14:13:58 GMT
Just saw an SP ride past Brentford County Court heading upwards towards Watermans Centre/Ealing Road. Could this bus be entering service on the E1? There are 3 SPs on now so probably. The ADHs have a pretty bad reputation for being unreliable It seems that it's the E3 ADH's that look to be the unreliable ones as it's those that generally go missing or are marked as VOR on LVF. Then what seems to happen is V essentially borrow some of the E1's own ones which probably explains the SP's on their.
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Post by transportizm on Aug 30, 2022 16:25:38 GMT
There are 3 SPs on now so probably. The ADHs have a pretty bad reputation for being unreliable It seems that it's the E3 ADH's that look to be the unreliable ones as it's those that generally go missing or are marked as VOR on LVF. Then what seems to happen is V essentially borrow some of the E1's own ones which probably explains the SP's on their. The E3 ADH's are now 12 years old which is pretty old for a London Bus so those buses are bound to have some issues.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2022 16:49:48 GMT
It seems that it's the E3 ADH's that look to be the unreliable ones as it's those that generally go missing or are marked as VOR on LVF. Then what seems to happen is V essentially borrow some of the E1's own ones which probably explains the SP's on their. The E3 ADH's are now 12 years old which is pretty old for a London Bus so those buses are bound to have some issues. We've had plenty of 12 year old buses not plagued with reliability issues in the past - age doesn't come into it in any case as you can have a 20-30 year old bus that is a reliable as anything and a 1-2 year old bus that has constant issues
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Post by andyc on Aug 30, 2022 17:14:26 GMT
The E3 ADH's are now 12 years old which is pretty old for a London Bus so those buses are bound to have some issues. We've had plenty of 12 year old buses not plagued with reliability issues in the past - age doesn't come into it in any case as you can have a 20-30 year old bus that is a reliable as anything and a 1-2 year old bus that has constant issues These are the first generation hybrid buses, which do have some interesting challenges…
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Post by sleckdeck on Aug 31, 2022 1:09:12 GMT
It seems that it's the E3 ADH's that look to be the unreliable ones as it's those that generally go missing or are marked as VOR on LVF. Then what seems to happen is V essentially borrow some of the E1's own ones which probably explains the SP's on their. The E3 ADH's are now 12 years old which is pretty old for a London Bus so those buses are bound to have some issues. The age should not be an issue, SP’s were first built in 2006 and the later batches were generally fantastic bar a few. Even when they returned to the 65, the service they provided was incredible.
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Post by paulo on Aug 31, 2022 6:58:01 GMT
The E3 ADH's are now 12 years old which is pretty old for a London Bus so those buses are bound to have some issues. The age should not be an issue, SP’s were first built in 2006 and the later batches were generally fantastic bar a few. Even when they returned to the 65, the service they provided was incredible. I think being early Hybrids is the real issue here.
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Post by snowman on Aug 31, 2022 8:06:36 GMT
The age should not be an issue, SP’s were first built in 2006 and the later batches were generally fantastic bar a few. Even when they returned to the 65, the service they provided was incredible. I think being early Hybrids is the real issue here. Yes, it is early hybrids, many of the parts at the time were specially made, some were superseded by improved designs when production ramped up. Some spare parts are no longer available so need to be made as a special order. No problems maintaining bodywork, suspension etc, it is the non standard hybrid bits. It actually feels like RATP has decided not to repair 4 of them and utilise parts, although I suspect they really need to part out 6-8 of them to keep rest going.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 31, 2022 12:15:19 GMT
Even after less than a year we are seeing changes resulting from the tie-up between established RATP operations and X.
X has gained route 28 from JE, is gaining RATP route gains 226/295, but losing route 228 back to RP and route 13 back to BT.
Even route 13 VMHs are gaining RATP rather than TT moquette even though TT did sign up for their refurbs.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 31, 2022 12:29:12 GMT
Even after less than a year we are seeing changes resulting from the tie-up between established RATP operations and X. X has gained route 28 from JE, is gaining RATP route gains 226/295, but losing route 228 back to RP and route 13 back to BT. Even route 13 VMHs are gaining RATP rather than TT moquette even though TT did sign up for their refurbs. Not really any great surprise, I would imagine the 13 can be operated more efficiently from BT and it fills the gap that the loss of the 142 will create.
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Post by Volvo on Aug 31, 2022 12:31:09 GMT
Just seen ADE309 blindless and being towed away from BT in a sorry state, many offside panels including lower rear light cluster missing.
Also DE112 is here, I had it today on 326, decent bus. Finally DEs39/40 are blindless.
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Post by rj131 on Aug 31, 2022 14:26:47 GMT
From what I've heard: DE96, which was involved in a front end rtc last year, is apparently no-longer with RATP, same with ADH31. I'm guessing they've been written off. Dear oh dear that ex-C1 batch seem to be a bit cursed, second one of that batch to be written off after DE104. One of the few E200 batches I actually like as I did the C1 so much when I first became a London bus enthusiast, I loved the arrow moquette they had 😆
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 31, 2022 17:21:08 GMT
Even after less than a year we are seeing changes resulting from the tie-up between established RATP operations and X. X has gained route 28 from JE, is gaining RATP route gains 226/295, but losing route 228 back to RP and route 13 back to BT. Even route 13 VMHs are gaining RATP rather than TT moquette even though TT did sign up for their refurbs. Not really any great surprise, I would imagine the 13 can be operated more efficiently from BT and it fills the gap that the loss of the 142 will create. It might not come across as much of a surprise to you. I didn't see it predicted here though. I agree with this reallocation and said so last week.
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