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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 4, 2024 23:25:20 GMT
I wonder how long it will take to get the ex-Sullivan routes transferred over from on iBus over to the other operators. Without iBus telling you when the live time of the bus is and especially the 298 running a skeleton schedule, must be a bit of a lottery waiting at the stop to see if your bus will ever turn up! The same way when a route goes from one operator to the next. Only problem with this is now, there would be no schedule to tie it with. Depends on how long it takes to get any emergency schedules done. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 4, 2024 23:25:49 GMT
I was under the impression that the conclusion was that both Sullivan and TfL mutually agreed that the remaining TfL contracts would terminate at the end of the day. If so there is no legal case. I would not have thought Sullivan's would terminate unilaterally without TfL agreement and leave themselves open to legal action. Equally I don't expect there would be much mileage for TfL to launch legal action against Sullivan's even if they could. Time for both TfL and Sullivan's to move on. I don't believe that was the case, I believe it was that TfL would like a future date to be given to them when they could expect services to be terminated. Notably Sullivans has been sent into receivership now which is often a form of legal protection when you owe someone a lot of money, the fact they're now heading into this direction certainly suggests they're protecting themselves from any legal action. All remaining routes have been transferred onto the engineering license too which is effectively a different company meaning that they won't be affected by any legal fallout. Is it me, cause I am looking at the 3 Sullivan Licenses PF0002431, PF1144361, PK2028071, and there appears to be very few routes registered to any of them |
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 4, 2024 23:25:51 GMT
I was under the impression that the conclusion was that both Sullivan and TfL mutually agreed that the remaining TfL contracts would terminate at the end of the day. If so there is no legal case. I would not have thought Sullivan's would terminate unilaterally without TfL agreement and leave themselves open to legal action. Equally I don't expect there would be much mileage for TfL to launch legal action against Sullivan's even if they could. Time for both TfL and Sullivan's to move on. From what Dean said it seemed like TfL had requested they inform TfL of a handing back date for the services but that went nowhere (4th paragraph, mentioning the June meeting). At the Friday meeting Sullivan Buses seems to have offered an alternative solution ("during our discussion today we have offered TfL a solution that would alleviate travel disruption for many thousands of bus users") -- so perhaps still resisting the idea of handing over routes? we know they've had meany meetings from FOIs where TfL and Sullivans have been discussing the various issues and there were indeed some (modest) improvements between the two documents in that FOI, so perhaps once again promising TfL a plan to redress the level of service? -- but no agreement hence why they pulled out immediately. Free idea for someone who likes to talk and cameras etc sounds crazy but there are loads of them out there so why not ? But someone should start a Bus Podcast focus on Bus companies , histories , managers etc and get Dean on as a first guest would be very good to hear his side of the story I do believe he is even on this forum so would be interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth but yeah someone start one 😂 but if they transferred vehicles over was this done prior to Friday or before as a lot of businesses year ends the last day of July . |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 4, 2024 23:29:07 GMT
Disruption as north London bus routes withdrawnBus passengers in north London may experience disruption to their journeys after the sudden and indefinite withdrawal of eight Transport for London (TfL) services.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80eex3995zo
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 5, 2024 0:39:00 GMT
Disruption as north London bus routes withdrawnBus passengers in north London may experience disruption to their journeys after the sudden and indefinite withdrawal of eight Transport for London (TfL) services.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80eex3995zo I think that’s not a well written article. It says the routes have been ‘withdrawn’ and no mention that TfL have arranged for all the routes to be run as soon as possible and to the best of their abilities by other operators. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 5, 2024 6:25:55 GMT
From what Dean said it seemed like TfL had requested they inform TfL of a handing back date for the services but that went nowhere (4th paragraph, mentioning the June meeting). At the Friday meeting Sullivan Buses seems to have offered an alternative solution ("during our discussion today we have offered TfL a solution that would alleviate travel disruption for many thousands of bus users") -- so perhaps still resisting the idea of handing over routes? we know they've had meany meetings from FOIs where TfL and Sullivans have been discussing the various issues and there were indeed some (modest) improvements between the two documents in that FOI, so perhaps once again promising TfL a plan to redress the level of service? -- but no agreement hence why they pulled out immediately. Free idea for someone who likes to talk and cameras etc sounds crazy but there are loads of them out there so why not ? But someone should start a Bus Podcast focus on Bus companies , histories , managers etc and get Dean on as a first guest would be very good to hear his side of the story I do believe he is even on this forum so would be interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth but yeah someone start one 😂 but if they transferred vehicles over was this done prior to Friday or before as a lot of businesses year ends the last day of July . That's something that would be good you know. Having people close to the bus scene and have interviews with them (obviously within legal boundaries). |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 5, 2024 6:36:45 GMT
Disruption as north London bus routes withdrawnBus passengers in north London may experience disruption to their journeys after the sudden and indefinite withdrawal of eight Transport for London (TfL) services.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80eex3995zo I think that’s not a well written article. It says the routes have been ‘withdrawn’ and no mention that TfL have arranged for all the routes to be run as soon as possible and to the best of their abilities by other operators. Wires crossed... I think they wrote that based on late Friday's / early Saturday's information, TfL were not great at getting the information out there so BBC attempted to fill in the gaps. Only missing services now are the school routes and emergency / skeleton timetables and service are now in place for the routes Sullivan dropped. 549 is going to be part of W14 soon, so that will get sorted. Will be interesting to see what Arriva use for the 217 during the week as I expect the HVs will be needed back for 41, 123, 243, 341. Unless they use 158 spare DWs, or any free HAs. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 5, 2024 7:07:51 GMT
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Post by snowman on Aug 5, 2024 8:46:29 GMT
I think that’s not a well written article. It says the routes have been ‘withdrawn’ and no mention that TfL have arranged for all the routes to be run as soon as possible and to the best of their abilities by other operators. Wires crossed... I think they wrote that based on late Friday's / early Saturday's information, TfL were not great at getting the information out there so BBC attempted to fill in the gaps. Only missing services now are the school routes and emergency / skeleton timetables and service are now in place for the routes Sullivan dropped. 549 is going to be part of W14 soon, so that will get sorted. Will be interesting to see what Arriva use for the 217 during the week as I expect the HVs will be needed back for 41, 123, 243, 341. Unless they use 158 spare DWs, or any free HAs. I suspect many operators can find spare buses during the school holidays, but possible not when schools go back. However few are likely to have had spare drivers sitting around, and typically August sees fair number of staff taking holidays. Regarding Sullivan staff, unless they have already been notified by Administrator, they are still under employment contract for upto two weeks until administrator advises otherwise. So would have to be very careful about resigning and/or taking work elsewhere . |
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 5, 2024 12:30:35 GMT
Current service arrangements as follows: 217 (Waltham Cross Bus Station–Turnpike Lane Bus Station) operating with 18min frequency instead of usual 12min; 298 (Arnos Grove Station–Potters Bar station) operating with 30min frequency instead of usual 20 min; 299 (Muswell Hill–Cockfosters Station) operating with 20min frequency instead of usual 15min 327 (Waltham Cross–Elsinge Estate) operating with normal service; 389 (Barnet, The Spires–Barnet, Western Way) operating with normal service; 399 (Barnet, The Spires–Hadley Wood Station) operating with normal service; 549 (South Woodford Station–Loughton Station) operating with normal service; W9 (Chase Farm Hospital–Southgate Station) operating with normal service. enfielddispatch.co.uk/eight-north-london-bus-routes-resume-after-operators-sudden-withdrawal/ |
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Post by borneobus on Aug 5, 2024 12:58:25 GMT
Current service arrangements as follows: 217 (Waltham Cross Bus Station–Turnpike Lane Bus Station) operating with 18min frequency instead of usual 12min; 298 (Arnos Grove Station–Potters Bar station) operating with 30min frequency instead of usual 20 min; 299 (Muswell Hill–Cockfosters Station) operating with 20min frequency instead of usual 15min 327 (Waltham Cross–Elsinge Estate) operating with normal service; 389 (Barnet, The Spires–Barnet, Western Way) operating with normal service; 399 (Barnet, The Spires–Hadley Wood Station) operating with normal service; 549 (South Woodford Station–Loughton Station) operating with normal service; W9 (Chase Farm Hospital–Southgate Station) operating with normal service. enfielddispatch.co.uk/eight-north-london-bus-routes-resume-after-operators-sudden-withdrawal/All things considered, that's a swift and effective recovery by the operators that have stepped in. |
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Post by northeastbusman on Aug 5, 2024 13:10:30 GMT
I don't believe that was the case, I believe it was that TfL would like a future date to be given to them when they could expect services to be terminated. Notably Sullivans has been sent into receivership now which is often a form of legal protection when you owe someone a lot of money, the fact they're now heading into this direction certainly suggests they're protecting themselves from any legal action. All remaining routes have been transferred onto the engineering license too which is effectively a different company meaning that they won't be affected by any legal fallout. Is it me, cause I am looking at the 3 Sullivan Licenses PF0002431, PF1144361, PK2028071, and there appears to be very few routes registered to any of them Hertfordshire is not covered by the Traffic Commissioners bus registration requirements - they deal with their own registrations for services wholly within the county |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 5, 2024 13:27:01 GMT
Is it me, cause I am looking at the 3 Sullivan Licenses PF0002431, PF1144361, PK2028071, and there appears to be very few routes registered to any of them Hertfordshire is not covered by the Traffic Commissioners bus registration requirements - they deal with their own registrations for services wholly within the county Thank you, never knew that. So other than London & Herts are any other areas exempt? |
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Post by greg on Aug 5, 2024 13:27:16 GMT
I thought the 389/399 were being covered by Go Ahead alongside the 299? This shows the 399 temporarily under Metroline flic.kr/p/2q8honD |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 5, 2024 13:39:33 GMT
I thought the 389/399 were being covered by Go Ahead alongside the 299? This shows the 399 temporarily under Metroline flic.kr/p/2q8honDThat was the plan but presumably, they couldn't get adequate sized vehicles together in time for today. |
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