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Post by rambo on Jan 22, 2012 21:58:25 GMT
You check the fire extingisher, but can't see the gauge, PG9 or not. Drive the bus or not? Would be interesting to get a list of PG9 offences for PSV's.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 22, 2012 22:35:51 GMT
I would say that if you can't see that the needle gauge is in the green then you can't really mark it off as safe on the vehicle defect form. I would therefore call the depot/engineers for further instructions so as to cover your a*se, not to mention it also being a safety and comfort procedure. If they instruct you to drive the bus as it is ask for their ID number to say that that individual instructed you to drive the bus, that should promptly get something done about the extinguisher.
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Post by greeny253 on Jan 23, 2012 1:27:28 GMT
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Post by lc1 on Jan 23, 2012 1:41:47 GMT
And to answer the question it is an advisory - advisory defects not considered serious enough to prohibit the vehicle. They are reported on a Vehicle Inspection Notice explained in the following paragraph.
Where Examiners find on a vehicle roadworthiness defects not serious enough to warrant prohibition, they will advise the user/ owner using a Vehicle Inspection Notice. This notice is advisory only and does not in itself prevent further use of the vehicle. Examiners will normally select one of the following periods of delay, which have been grouped together into three bands according to the number and severity of the defects listed on the prohibition notice (PG9): Band Period of Delay Severity of Defects Listed on the PG9 Even if not prohibitable, some of the defects may mean that the vehicle is unroadworthy and does not comply with the law. Continued use of a vehicle issued with either a Delayed Prohibition or a Vehicle Inspection Notice listing advisory defect(s) risks prosecution under the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations or Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations and so it will be in the user’s interest to repair defects as soon as practicable after they are noticed.
So yeah is as clear as mud ;D
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Post by greeny253 on Jan 23, 2012 1:44:26 GMT
In reference to the original post;
our engineers would tell us to put it on the card but in credit to them it would get sorted pretty soonish
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 23, 2012 18:22:42 GMT
Very useful indeed. I know of a case recently where a driver was asked to take a bus out with no horn working, needless to say he refused.
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Post by rambo on Jan 24, 2012 17:30:29 GMT
Very useful indeed. I know of a case recently where a driver was asked to take a bus out with no horn working, needless to say he refused. That sort of thing really p*sses me off, it your licence, not thiers. Bet you any money you like it had been reported on the VCR card.
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Post by greeny253 on Jan 24, 2012 19:38:19 GMT
Very useful indeed. I know of a case recently where a driver was asked to take a bus out with no horn working, needless to say he refused. That sort of thing really p*sses me off, it your licence, not thiers. Bet you any money you like it had been reported on the VCR card. What I would say in regards to this is that if you aren't happy that the fire extinguisher is suitably charged (not being able to see the gauge would be enough for me) then refuse the bus. You are well within your rights to do so and any good union rep would stand by you if it came to a GDE. At the the end of the day it's a health and safety issue.
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 24, 2012 19:41:10 GMT
The operator concerned tried to discipline the driver for refusing to drive the bus. Its been an ongoing issue and countless drivers have reported it. Very useful indeed. I know of a case recently where a driver was asked to take a bus out with no horn working, needless to say he refused. That sort of thing really p*sses me off, it your licence, not thiers. Bet you any money you like it had been reported on the VCR card.
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Post by slr on Jan 25, 2012 10:13:58 GMT
The operator concerned tried to discipline the driver for refusing to drive the bus. Its been an ongoing issue and countless drivers have reported it. That sort of thing really p*sses me off, it your licence, not thiers. Bet you any money you like it had been reported on the VCR card. The horn not working isn't a PG9 and as such our stance would be to request a driver carry on with it. It is however quite an important safety device, and would be repaired at the earliest opportunity, usually the same night. With reference to the first question, the fire extinguisher can be missing and still be an IN, ie still fit for servicee!
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Post by lc1 on Jan 25, 2012 13:12:17 GMT
The operator concerned tried to discipline the driver for refusing to drive the bus. Its been an ongoing issue and countless drivers have reported it. That sort of thing really p*sses me off, it your licence, not thiers. Bet you any money you like it had been reported on the VCR card. And I can bet your life it STILL hasn't been fixed....like I got told to carry on with an Headlight out (at night) strange as it got subbed as I was coming off (the third time it had passed the garage with it out )
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Post by rambo on Jan 25, 2012 20:51:01 GMT
No horn=not driving.
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 25, 2012 20:55:58 GMT
But it is illegal to drive with no horn, so on the basis its my licence at stake then I certainly wouldn't drive the bus. The operator concerned tried to discipline the driver for refusing to drive the bus. Its been an ongoing issue and countless drivers have reported it. The horn not working isn't a PG9 and as such our stance would be to request a driver carry on with it. It is however quite an important safety device, and would be repaired at the earliest opportunity, usually the same night. With reference to the first question, the fire extinguisher can be missing and still be an IN, ie still fit for servicee!
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 25, 2012 21:06:52 GMT
I would have to find out from those at the company concerned. The operator concerned tried to discipline the driver for refusing to drive the bus. Its been an ongoing issue and countless drivers have reported it. And I can bet your life it STILL hasn't been fixed....like I got told to carry on with an Headlight out (at night) strange as it got subbed as I was coming off (the third time it had passed the garage with it out )
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 26, 2012 15:22:34 GMT
Right, gonna clear this up!!
1. A horn not working is not an immediate PG9, its is a delayed PG9. It's only immediate if the horn is likely to detatch from the vehicle or no horn is present. HOWEVER as the horn is c 'driver checkable item' it could be marked with an 'S' mark (signifying a significant failure of the maintainance system) but for a small item such as this it is higly unlikely.
2. To drive a vehicle without a working horn is 'illegal'. The Offence code in the 'Road Traffic Offenders act 1988' (of which i have a copy of) is 'Code 389'. Offence 389, Section 37 of the Road Vehicles (construction and use) Regulations 1986 - No Horn or Horn Inoperative. (VDR)' . This offence only carries a fine and is non-endorsable.
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