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Post by smiler52 on May 4, 2012 23:03:10 GMT
just want to say welldone to bojo shame it was not ken but all the same he will now the mayor for the next for 4years
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Post by mre81 on May 4, 2012 23:26:32 GMT
....and thank god for that. Ken's dishonest tricks didn't prevail in the end  |
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Post by vjaska on May 4, 2012 23:50:23 GMT
....and thank god for that. Ken's dishonest tricks didn't prevail in the end Indeed, I voted for Boris and was absolutely delighted when he got in. Ken is now retiring so let's see who Labour put forward in 4 years time. |
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Post by londonbusboy on May 5, 2012 1:54:00 GMT
Not happy Boris was re-elected. He cut down police numbers but in his manifesto he promised to put 1,000 more police back on the streets... well why cut them in the first place!
Boris will continue to put the fares up, we will have more crap Borismasters on the roads at the tax payers expense. Other bus manufacturers will lose out as Wright have got a good contract.
He puts these pledges in at election time but doesnt meet them or does them in the last year or two as mayor.
He will no doubt cut buses routes down and ive heard he will axe dial a ride
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2012 2:32:29 GMT
Not happy Boris was re-elected. He cut down police numbers but in his manifesto he promised to put 1,000 more police back on the streets... well why cut them in the first place! Boris will continue to put the fares up, we will have more crap Borismasters on the roads at the tax payers expense. Other bus manufacturers will lose out as Wright have got a good contract. He puts these pledges in at election time but doesnt meet them or does them in the last year or two as mayor. He will no doubt cut buses routes down and ive heard he will axe dial a ride I'm pretty sure the bus routes in London are quite safe from the cuts unless they are small services which aren't being used such as certain N routes, Mobility routes & School routes. As for the fares, if Ken got in, he would not of been able to reduce the fares. The money is simply not there for that and TBH, London fares for buses are quite cheaper than a lot of places. |
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Post by neil3 on May 5, 2012 9:27:32 GMT
Good luck Boris for the next 4 years!
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Post by mre81 on May 5, 2012 13:16:06 GMT
Not happy Boris was re-elected. He cut down police numbers but in his manifesto he promised to put 1,000 more police back on the streets... well why cut them in the first place! Boris will continue to put the fares up, we will have more crap Borismasters on the roads at the tax payers expense. Other bus manufacturers will lose out as Wright have got a good contract. He puts these pledges in at election time but doesnt meet them or does them in the last year or two as mayor. He will no doubt cut buses routes down and ive heard he will axe dial a ride Unfortunately it is a fact of life that the vast majority of politicans are economical with the truth and make promises they don't keep. Ken promised he would not get rid of the original Routemaster..... Fares would have to continue to rise whoever is mayor. Running costs are continually going up. If fares didn't rise the costs would have to be met indirectly (council tax for example). Personally I prefer to pay at the point of use (fares), rather than indirectly, which penalises people who do not use the network. As Vjaska said, London fares are not bad value when you compare with certain parts of the country, particularly bus fares over long distances. I would also rather have a Tory mayor if we have a Tory government (can't see the Lib Dems having too much of a say any more following their unshockingly dismal election performance). David Cameron is far more likely to say yes to extra investment for London; it will make Boris look good. Vice versa it would have made Ken look bad, continually at odds with a government not keen to fund his grandiose projects. Of course there will be cuts to the network. However, services that are well-used are extremely unlikely to be cut. Services that are not well used- well, there is far less justification to keep them running anyway, and why should they be funded if they are not being used? Saw Ken being interviewed on BBC News this morning- nice to see he's not bitter or anything  The man's lack of self-awareness is outstanding. If he had an ounce self-awareness he would recognise his own failings, and the result of the election would have been far less certain. |
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Post by londonbusboy on May 6, 2012 0:57:02 GMT
Not happy Boris was re-elected. He cut down police numbers but in his manifesto he promised to put 1,000 more police back on the streets... well why cut them in the first place! Boris will continue to put the fares up, we will have more crap Borismasters on the roads at the tax payers expense. Other bus manufacturers will lose out as Wright have got a good contract. He puts these pledges in at election time but doesnt meet them or does them in the last year or two as mayor. He will no doubt cut buses routes down and ive heard he will axe dial a ride Unfortunately it is a fact of life that the vast majority of politicans are economical with the truth and make promises they don't keep. Ken promised he would not get rid of the original Routemaster..... Fares would have to continue to rise whoever is mayor. Running costs are continually going up. If fares didn't rise the costs would have to be met indirectly (council tax for example). Personally I prefer to pay at the point of use (fares), rather than indirectly, which penalises people who do not use the network. As Vjaska said, London fares are not bad value when you compare with certain parts of the country, particularly bus fares over long distances. I would also rather have a Tory mayor if we have a Tory government (can't see the Lib Dems having too much of a say any more following their unshockingly dismal election performance). David Cameron is far more likely to say yes to extra investment for London; it will make Boris look good. Vice versa it would have made Ken look bad, continually at odds with a government not keen to fund his grandiose projects. Of course there will be cuts to the network. However, services that are well-used are extremely unlikely to be cut. Services that are not well used- well, there is far less justification to keep them running anyway, and why should they be funded if they are not being used? Saw Ken being interviewed on BBC News this morning- nice to see he's not bitter or anything The man's lack of self-awareness is outstanding. If he had an ounce self-awareness he would recognise his own failings, and the result of the election would have been far less certain. Some good points there i must admit and this is what puts me off voting as all parties promise something and they are likely not to meet them. This election showed alot of people failed to vote. One thing i cant stand is the new borismaster but i wont slag it off too much until i actually ride one  Boris visited Orpington the other day as Bromley is a very conservative area, but what he fails to realise is he looks after central london when the outskirts could do with some attention. I have always felt central london should be under TfL and the outskirts should be independant in their own liveries and fares. Also the LEZ should just be in central london not the outskirts. The one thing i think the conservative government let its people down on is the number of unemployed people in the UK and the vast amount of cuts, yes i know we need to cut to save money but there is a certain point and as we have been under conservative for a year or two now we are in another recession! This is why i would never vote for the bigger parties at election time as Labour, Conservative and Libdems have let us down. I worked for Bromley Council prior to my current job and i hated the conservative council leaders there, the amount of times i went to say hello and they simply blanked me. The leader of the council even gave me a dirty look in Market Square for no reason which is why i voted labour to try and get those idiots out but again Bromley is very conservative and they won.  |
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Post by mre81 on May 6, 2012 14:22:42 GMT
Unfortunately it is a fact of life that the vast majority of politicans are economical with the truth and make promises they don't keep. Ken promised he would not get rid of the original Routemaster..... Fares would have to continue to rise whoever is mayor. Running costs are continually going up. If fares didn't rise the costs would have to be met indirectly (council tax for example). Personally I prefer to pay at the point of use (fares), rather than indirectly, which penalises people who do not use the network. As Vjaska said, London fares are not bad value when you compare with certain parts of the country, particularly bus fares over long distances. I would also rather have a Tory mayor if we have a Tory government (can't see the Lib Dems having too much of a say any more following their unshockingly dismal election performance). David Cameron is far more likely to say yes to extra investment for London; it will make Boris look good. Vice versa it would have made Ken look bad, continually at odds with a government not keen to fund his grandiose projects. Of course there will be cuts to the network. However, services that are well-used are extremely unlikely to be cut. Services that are not well used- well, there is far less justification to keep them running anyway, and why should they be funded if they are not being used? Saw Ken being interviewed on BBC News this morning- nice to see he's not bitter or anything The man's lack of self-awareness is outstanding. If he had an ounce self-awareness he would recognise his own failings, and the result of the election would have been far less certain. Some good points there i must admit and this is what puts me off voting as all parties promise something and they are likely not to meet them. This election showed alot of people failed to vote. One thing i cant stand is the new borismaster but i wont slag it off too much until i actually ride one Boris visited Orpington the other day as Bromley is a very conservative area, but what he fails to realise is he looks after central london when the outskirts could do with some attention. I have always felt central london should be under TfL and the outskirts should be independant in their own liveries and fares. Also the LEZ should just be in central london not the outskirts. The one thing i think the conservative government let its people down on is the number of unemployed people in the UK and the vast amount of cuts, yes i know we need to cut to save money but there is a certain point and as we have been under conservative for a year or two now we are in another recession! This is why i would never vote for the bigger parties at election time as Labour, Conservative and Libdems have let us down. I worked for Bromley Council prior to my current job and i hated the conservative council leaders there, the amount of times i went to say hello and they simply blanked me. The leader of the council even gave me a dirty look in Market Square for no reason which is why i voted labour to try and get those idiots out but again Bromley is very conservative and they won. It's interesting that you say "he fails to realise is he looks after central london when the outskirts could do with some attention". When Boris was initially elected in 2008 the majority of his votes came from outer suburbs after he promised to be more suburb-centric. If people feel like you do, then that has failed and it's easy to see why. The majority of the large transport projects have been in zones 1 and 2: Boris bikes and Buses, the scrapping of the western congestion charge, the Overground extension to Clapham Junction. In the suburbs there has been nothing like that level of investment, however investment has continued in the bus network, Oyster on suburban trains, and not forgetting Crossrail which spans and benefits both suburbs and central London. I'm quite surprised the investment the Conservative government has put in the rail network. Think HS2, electrification programmes and the rebuilding of the East-West link (Reading-Bedford). There's an interesting blog/forum - www.londonreconnections.com/ - which suggests that this investment in the greater rail network will continue, and interestingly suggests that there will now be a focus on Tramlink inprovements and the taking of all London suburban trains under the TfL banner. In terms of unemployment these will be good job-creation schemes. There are jobs out there already though across the board. Supermarkets/Starbucks/Pret etc are always recruiting. People are just fussy, if they want a job they could get one. Maybe not what their hearts desire, but at the end of the day a job is a job, and having one is better than not having one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 17:41:45 GMT
It's interesting that you say "he fails to realise is he looks after central london when the outskirts could do with some attention". When Boris was initially elected in 2008 the majority of his votes came from outer suburbs after he promised to be more suburb-centric. If people feel like you do, then that has failed and it's easy to see why. The majority of the large transport projects have been in zones 1 and 2: Boris bikes and Buses, the scrapping of the western congestion charge, the Overground extension to Clapham Junction. In the suburbs there has been nothing like that level of investment, however investment has continued in the bus network, Oyster on suburban trains, and not forgetting Crossrail which spans and benefits both suburbs and central London. I'm quite surprised the investment the Conservative government has put in the rail network. Think HS2, electrification programmes and the rebuilding of the East-West link (Reading-Bedford). There's an interesting blog/forum - www.londonreconnections.com/ - which suggests that this investment in the greater rail network will continue, and interestingly suggests that there will now be a focus on Tramlink inprovements and the taking of all London suburban trains under the TfL banner. In terms of unemployment these will be good job-creation schemes. There are jobs out there already though across the board. Supermarkets/Starbucks/Pret etc are always recruiting. People are just fussy, if they want a job they could get one. Maybe not what their hearts desire, but at the end of the day a job is a job, and having one is better than not having one. Electrification has to continue. There are time expired DMUs out there as well as capacity increases on DMU served lines required. The ROSCOs want assurance that any new DMUs will have 30 year leases with assurances from the DfT they will get paid. With the likelihood of diesel prices rocketing within this time span, maybe making DMUs unviable, the DfT will not give them this guarantee. The best it seems that can be hoped for is bi-mode, but these are not the most efficient due to being heavy as they carry two power plants ... otherwise all new rolling stock is likely to be electric ... so electrification looks like being a permanent feature of the railways now ... whoever gets in. |
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Post by mre81 on May 6, 2012 19:45:18 GMT
It's interesting that you say "he fails to realise is he looks after central london when the outskirts could do with some attention". When Boris was initially elected in 2008 the majority of his votes came from outer suburbs after he promised to be more suburb-centric. If people feel like you do, then that has failed and it's easy to see why. The majority of the large transport projects have been in zones 1 and 2: Boris bikes and Buses, the scrapping of the western congestion charge, the Overground extension to Clapham Junction. In the suburbs there has been nothing like that level of investment, however investment has continued in the bus network, Oyster on suburban trains, and not forgetting Crossrail which spans and benefits both suburbs and central London. I'm quite surprised the investment the Conservative government has put in the rail network. Think HS2, electrification programmes and the rebuilding of the East-West link (Reading-Bedford). There's an interesting blog/forum - www.londonreconnections.com/ - which suggests that this investment in the greater rail network will continue, and interestingly suggests that there will now be a focus on Tramlink inprovements and the taking of all London suburban trains under the TfL banner. In terms of unemployment these will be good job-creation schemes. There are jobs out there already though across the board. Supermarkets/Starbucks/Pret etc are always recruiting. People are just fussy, if they want a job they could get one. Maybe not what their hearts desire, but at the end of the day a job is a job, and having one is better than not having one. Electrification has to continue. There are time expired DMUs out there as well as capacity increases on DMU served lines required. The ROSCOs want assurance that any new DMUs will have 30 year leases with assurances from the DfT they will get paid. With the likelihood of diesel prices rocketing within this time span, maybe making DMUs unviable, the DfT will not give them this guarantee. The best it seems that can be hoped for is bi-mode, but these are not the most efficient due to being heavy as they carry two power plants ... otherwise all new rolling stock is likely to be electric ... so electrification looks like being a permanent feature of the railways now ... whoever gets in. All that is needed now then is for them to sort out the source of the electricity. They really need to bite the bullet and start building new nuclear power stations- at least in the interim until the technology for cheap, reliable green energy has been developed. |
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Post by greeny253 on May 7, 2012 8:55:58 GMT
Not happy Boris was re-elected. He cut down police numbers but in his manifesto he promised to put 1,000 more police back on the streets... well why cut them in the first place! Boris will continue to put the fares up, we will have more crap Borismasters on the roads at the tax payers expense. Other bus manufacturers will lose out as Wright have got a good contract. He puts these pledges in at election time but doesnt meet them or does them in the last year or two as mayor. He will no doubt cut buses routes down and ive heard he will axe dial a ride Yes the fares have gone up but at least we have seen investment in the network eh? I personally would be happy to pay more if the money going into the network makes it more reliable  |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 7, 2012 9:41:34 GMT
and ive heard he will axe dial a ride Can you imagine the outcry if that happened? I don't think it's likely : one thing I think could happen though is the axing of the very few remaining Mobility routes : dial a ride could I think easily replace these now. |
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Post by smiler52 on May 7, 2012 10:50:33 GMT
when ken was going on in is talk he said something about the scrapping of a cable car whats he on about and when boris said a hybrid bus that costs the same as another hybrid bus was he on about the borismaster news for you bojo i bet there a bit of difference in the price i bet bojo will put fares up again in the new year
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Post by londonbusboy on May 7, 2012 14:18:58 GMT
Not happy Boris was re-elected. He cut down police numbers but in his manifesto he promised to put 1,000 more police back on the streets... well why cut them in the first place! Boris will continue to put the fares up, we will have more crap Borismasters on the roads at the tax payers expense. Other bus manufacturers will lose out as Wright have got a good contract. He puts these pledges in at election time but doesnt meet them or does them in the last year or two as mayor. He will no doubt cut buses routes down and ive heard he will axe dial a ride Yes the fares have gone up but at least we have seen investment in the network eh? I personally would be happy to pay more if the money going into the network makes it more reliable Very true Greeny but the rises have got to stop at some point otherwise people will turn away from public transport. Im all for the money going back to invest in the network but again i come back to my earlier comment on how central london is looked after and not the outskirts |
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The man's lack of self-awareness is outstanding. If he had an ounce self-awareness he would recognise his own failings, and the result of the election would have been far less certain.
