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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 8:52:26 GMT
One of the comments below the article says 'This keeps happening on these low floor buses'. What a ridiculous comment. How can a fire be connected to a low floor bus design. Theres more chance a fire will start through the windows magnifying the sunlights rays and setting chair alight. Well, that's clearly somebody with zero idea of what's gone on.
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Post by romfordbuses on Oct 6, 2012 9:48:21 GMT
Much as I'm not remotely a fan of these buses, it's never a good thing to see a bus destroyed/damaged by fire Of course it's not, It's a shame but my comment was entirely tounge in cheek Are the Omnicitys on lease? I've often wondered why Stagecoach don't just get rid of them or sell them and replace them with E400's with a add-on to another order, It'd be a lot easier than keeping spare parts for a small fleet, Especially at RM...
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Post by TA1 on Oct 6, 2012 10:12:41 GMT
Well I believe this is the first Omnicity DD in London to of caught fire from an engine fault, first and foremost I'd like to congratulate the bus driver for ensuring all of his passengers left the bus safe and sound devoid of any injury or fatality; the driver is a credit. I also hope none of our RM based drivers where involved in this incident.
I do think safety checks will occur on all Omnicity DD' at all London based operators following this incident, which could possibly see that 11 plate demonstrator staying around London for much longer, if any serious fault is found with 15013.
I think it's fair to say if their is a shortfall of buses at RM , I agree with metrobus in saying unless stagecoach decide on sending the Omnicity's back to the leasing company if they're leased of course then one could be sent to RM if not planned already to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 17:43:19 GMT
Much as I'm not remotely a fan of these buses, it's never a good thing to see a bus destroyed/damaged by fire Of course it's not, It's a shame but my comment was entirely tounge in cheek Are the Omnicitys on lease? I've often wondered why Stagecoach don't just get rid of them or sell them and replace them with E400's with a add-on to another order, It'd be a lot easier than keeping spare parts for a small fleet, Especially at RM... It's probably too near their contract renewal now to justify replacing them - I'm hoping they'll phase them out as contracts are renewed (and that the 106's ones won't linger on to bother us further)
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2012 19:13:56 GMT
freebbc - Are you trying to say that it got an electrical fault because it was built in Poland? I've Polish in myself so if thats the case, I find your comment very distasteful. Polish people are good at building and construction. Also, your post after that about Citaros and Germany makes no sense. And please, stop with the Routemasters & Borismasters, it's getting annoying!
As for replacing the Scania, Stagecoach probably have spare Tridents sitting around that will cover until the end of the contract but if they are short, they may feel inclined to purchase one of the two Scania's that have been around the TfL operations. If the 248 is retained, the Scania's could well be kept - depending on if their owned or leased.
I think this is actually the first low floor Scania to catch fire following an engine fault - thats if it was an engine fault in the first place. Only time will tell.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Oct 6, 2012 19:33:14 GMT
freebbc - Are you trying to say that it got an electrical fault because it was built in Poland? I've Polish in myself so if thats the case, I find your comment very distasteful. Polish people are good at building and construction. Also, your post after that about Citaros and Germany makes no sense. And please, stop with the Routemasters & Borismasters, it's getting annoying! As for replacing the Scania, Stagecoach probably have spare Tridents sitting around that will cover until the end of the contract but if they are short, they may feel inclined to purchase one of the two Scania's that have been around the TfL operations. If the 248 is retained, the Scania's could well be kept - depending on if their owned or leased. I think this is actually the first low floor Scania to catch fire following an engine fault - thats if it was an engine fault in the first place. Only time will tell. You can't make assumptions based on where the bus is made. It could be either a manufacturing fault (such as with the Citaros) or an engineer's fault (e.g. not mending the engine properly, fitting the wrong part(s) etc.) I seem to recall that Stagecoach amended the contracts on ex-ELBG stock, so that they can be returned to their leasor/manufacturer when no longer needed. They (hopefully not) might end up being snapped up by London United.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 19:33:22 GMT
One of the comments below the article says 'This keeps happening on these low floor buses'. What a ridiculous comment. How can a fire be connected to a low floor bus design. Theres more chance a fire will start through the windows magnifying the sunlights rays and setting chair alight. Well, that's clearly somebody with zero idea of what's gone on. Really? There have been a lot of fires on modern (ie low floor) buses and thats a fact
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Post by greeny253 on Oct 6, 2012 19:43:56 GMT
Well, that's clearly somebody with zero idea of what's gone on. Really? There have been a lot of fires on modern (ie low floor) buses and thats a fact And what would happen to back up that 'fact'? Engine fires happen and nobody knows what caused it. Lets wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 19:48:07 GMT
There are far more engine fires nowadays!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2012 19:58:03 GMT
freebbc - Are you trying to say that it got an electrical fault because it was built in Poland? I've Polish in myself so if thats the case, I find your comment very distasteful. Polish people are good at building and construction. Also, your post after that about Citaros and Germany makes no sense. And please, stop with the Routemasters & Borismasters, it's getting annoying! As for replacing the Scania, Stagecoach probably have spare Tridents sitting around that will cover until the end of the contract but if they are short, they may feel inclined to purchase one of the two Scania's that have been around the TfL operations. If the 248 is retained, the Scania's could well be kept - depending on if their owned or leased. I think this is actually the first low floor Scania to catch fire following an engine fault - thats if it was an engine fault in the first place. Only time will tell. You can't make assumptions based on where the bus is made. It could be either a manufacturing fault (such as with the Citaros) or an engineer's fault (e.g. not mending the engine properly, fitting the wrong part(s) etc.) I wasn't the person who made assumptions so I've no idea why your telling me this
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Post by greeny253 on Oct 6, 2012 20:07:18 GMT
There are far more engine fires nowadays! Are there? Or is it just because of the Internet and social networking that we hear about more of them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 20:23:14 GMT
I know it's bad that Stagecoach have lost a bus and nobody likes seeing a bus on fire....But it is a Omnicity...So it's a good thing right? ;D Well its made in Poland... But the majority of buses in London are made in the British Isles. But well done to the driver It's not entirely Poland - I think chassis is built in Sweden, and body in Poland.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 20:24:07 GMT
Well, that's clearly somebody with zero idea of what's gone on. Really? There have been a lot of fires on modern (ie low floor) buses and thats a fact If you've got some compelling evidence to convince me otherwise, I'd like to see it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 21:13:33 GMT
As normal on the spot assumptions are rarely correct, the fire from initial viewing does look to be more severe on the upper deck bodywork rather than at the engine bay, good chance of it being arson. No idea what the posts above by freebbc are about either. Vehicle fires can happen to any type or model and are geting more common not just buses, cars, trucks et al. The Trident euro 3 variant is especially susceptible to engine bay fires due to its design, rather puts freebbc comments to the sword!
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Post by londonbusboy on Oct 6, 2012 23:47:56 GMT
I am not convinced it was a fire from the engine compartment as the rear bonnett nor the side panels to the engine are burnt.
It seems to of been started on the upper deck (as engineeringblues recons), could possibly be a wiring fault but thats just my opinion
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